What is going to happen to used car prices of ICE engined cars after 2030 ?

[Bay Leaf]

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Good point. I suppose the answer would be buy another " fuel tank " but at what price and there could well be a shortage.

 

[Blobcat]

Good point. I suppose the answer would be buy another " fuel tank " but at what price and there could well be a shortage.

Buy another will be the answer (according to the manufacturer…) although exactly what happens to the old one is still to be decided… ship them offshore for “recycling “ outside our environment… is the most likely outcome

 

[ajlsl600]

My second car/daily driver is getting on for 18 years old and nothing wrong with it. As to electric vehicles unless we go down the full nuclear or shale gas extraction rout. where's all the electricity going to come from. Because it's not just cars, it's trucks/busses/railway locomotives/ships, basically every form of transport that will have to green. Maybe the hydrogen cell tech of which I know nothing about might be the answer..

I believe it will be

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Yep, all stepping stones, fossil fuels, nuclear, hydrogen and eventually fusion

 

[Craiglxviii]

I doubt fuel cells will be the answer. The technology roadmap- this is an intra-governmental body that looks to help to develop various technologies through incentives, study contracts etc- has already identified both improved battery & charging technology, and improved motor technology as being the direction actually taken.

Hydrogen fuel cell kW/£ is projected to remain 3-4x the cost (not prove!) of battery EV or REEV. Similarly charging times are expected to drop sub-10 minutes which has been recognised as the benchmark.

 

[Frontstep]

Electricity runs so much else as well as charging your EV so taxing it will be a problem.

For some, they work very well and are cheap to run.


Unfortunately, a lot of the world's Fossil Fuel energy is currently supplied by ghastly people.

We need our own and not this fake green nonsense with woodpellets.

 

[Craiglxviii]

Electricity runs so much else as well as charging your EV so taxing it will be a problem.

For some, they work very well and are cheap to run.


Unfortunately, a lot of the world's Fossil Fuel energy is currently supplied by ghastly people.

We need our own and not this fake green nonsense with woodpellets.

The Mr. Fusion Home Energy System. It’s the only way to be sure.

 

[Bay Leaf]

Thinking about this, we could all (governments included) be missing something. Internal combustion engines are getting cleaner and cleaner. So in the future in my opinion we might not be contributing as much if any co2 or what ever comes out of our tail pipes as some people predict.
As always I could be wrong.

 

[Frontstep]

The Mr. Fusion Home Energy System. It’s the only way to be sure.

Sign me up I hankered after a micro nuclear power plant when I found out how much power they created with so little fuel.

Not exactly recyclable, well not in the traditional sense.

Fusion in my garage, who knows............

 

[Craiglxviii]

Sign me up I hankered after a micro nuclear power plant when I found out how much power they created with so little fuel.

Not exactly recyclable, well not in the traditional sense.

Fusion in my garage, who knows............

Fusion in your car!

 

[oigle]

Thinking about this, we could all (governments included) be missing something. Internal combustion engines are getting cleaner and cleaner. So in the future in my opinion we might not be contributing as much if any co2 or what ever comes out of our tail pipes as some people predict.
As always I could be wrong.

Emissions of "harmfull" gases like Nox etc have been and are reducing all the time (except as cars get older and emission systems fail) but CO2 is a constant unfortunately. Burn fuel=produce CO2. Carbon capture is only alternative and cars will never do that.

 

[fabes]

If reducing carbon emissions was the priority it would be aviation that was targeted.

Private jets, under full scheduled flights and air cargo being hammered would make a much bigger impact.

Remind me, a single flight to the US = how many ICEV miles ref CO2....?

 

[oigle]

If reducing carbon emissions was the priority

It certainly is.

 

[Wearsafoxhat]

It certainly is.

Then they need to be serious about it, not use it as just another money making excuse.


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[Blobcat]

Then they need to be serious about it, not use it as just another money making excuse.


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If it wasn't about the money, the congestion zones would be a no-go area for high emissions (at point of use) vehicles.

It is about the money so you can drive what you like where you like as long as you pay...

 

[Bay Leaf]

Don't forget guys, if we want to cut emissions to zero it's not only cars / trucks / busses , it's aircraft / railway locomotives / building site equipment eg dump trucks / earth moving vehicles, the list goes on. How on earth are we going to produce the electricity. Please don't anyone go on about Hydrogen cells etc as it will take years to perfect it and we haven't got the time, as our government has stated there will be no more ICE's manufactured after 2030 in this country, although I think that might change somewhat in the near future. As they say watch this space.

 

[A.J.]

Don't forget guys, if we want to cut emissions to zero it's not only cars / trucks / busses , it's aircraft / railway locomotives / building site equipment eg dump trucks / earth moving vehicles, the list goes on. How on earth are we going to produce the electricity. Please don't anyone go on about Hydrogen cells etc as it will take years to perfect it and we haven't got the time, as our government has stated there will be no more ICE's manufactured after 2030 in this country, although I think that might change somewhat in the near future. As they say watch this space.

For some reason the Government don't recognise any of those you mention as a major contributor to pollution. Obviously Aircraft is going to be the tricky one to electrify and so are ships. I live not far from the harbour in this town and you should see the crap they dump into the atmosphere when they start up. We often see them firing up and emitting thick black smoke into the air. A lot of it doesn't go up, if falls to the ground and the Harbour waters.

Apart from the shear volume of cars in comparison to anything you have mentioned they are the cleanest by a country mile. I for one will not have an EV in my life time. We are moving to a top floor Apartment in Norwich city centre and I don't think anybody manufactures extension cables long enough

 

[Blobcat]

For some reason the Government don't recognise any of those you mention as a major contributor to pollution. Obviously Aircraft is going to be the tricky one to electrify and so are ships. I live not far from the harbour in this town and you should see the crap they dump into the atmosphere when they start up. We often see them firing up and emitting thick black smoke into the air. A lot of it doesn't go up, if falls to the ground and the Harbour waters.

Apart from the shear volume of cars in comparison to anything you have mentioned they are the cleanest by a country mile. I for one will not have an EV in my life time. We are moving to a top floor Apartment in Norwich city centre and I don't think anybody manufactures extension cables long enough

Problem is that shipping uses some of the dirtiest fuels around…

There are some electric short range ferries in Norway with inductive charging when they dock. Wight link ferries just paint “Hybrid” on the side of their HFO (Heavy Fuel Oil) ferries…

 

[Flyinspanner]

Airships could become viable once more, skin could have a PV outer to power electric motors. (plus batteries & back up ice generators)

could work well for some cargo.

 

[A.J.]

Problem is that shipping uses some of the dirtiest fuels around…

There are some electric short range ferries in Norway with inductive charging when they dock. Wight link ferries just paint “Hybrid” on the side of their HFO (Heavy Fuel Oil) ferries…

Boing and Airbus hare working on Electric Airplanes, Hydrogen too. Electric Airplane, talk about range anxiety, $hiiiiitttt