A220d aircon causing engine problem?

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Hi. I am absolutely at my whits end with this issue. I will start off by saying I have zero car or mechanical knowledge.

I have a 2014 a220d automatic on 85000 miles. I bought it in September last year, and at the turn of the year I noticed an occasional judder with acceleration, which I unfortunately ignored. Last month it got a lot worse, combined with a huge hiss and constantly going into limp mode with low boost pressure. I had it at a garage last week, where they replaced the egr pipe(?). This is where my knowledge goes. It is a sliver metal pipe at the bottom, back of the engine. It was pretty much snapped in half. They showed me the smoke test video and pipe after they took it off. Unfortunately after this the car was performing no better.

Basically the car goes into limp mode pretty much straight away, and bunnyhops either during acceleration or when maintaining speed. Earlier on today it also cut out entirely whilst performing a 3 point turn. The bunnyhop feels like someone pulling the handbrake and releasing it again every few seconds. The revs drop 100 every time.

So today, I felt a bit cold. I realised since I owned it I have never turned the aircon off. I turned it off, and for the first time in months the car drove faultless. I was unsure, so i put it back on, and then again the juddering. Turned it off again, stuck it in sport mode and blasted it. No limp mode, no problems seemed to occur.

Now, what can this be? It seems so bizzare and ridiculous that the aircon can have such an impact on the running of the engine. Is this something anybody has heard of? What could it be?

Any help would be so so appreciated. I've been struggling so much and every garage keeps telling me to replace the turbo, but I don't want to as when it isn't in limp mode the turbo seems fine.

Thanks in advance for any ideas!
 

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Sounds like a seized air con pump to me. Not even sure that's feasible though.
I think most air con pumps have a clutch and engage the clutch when switched on. Clutch disengages the pump when you turn it off.
That's a very basic understanding of the system and may not even apply to your car.
That is where I would start.
Check the Aircon pump turns freely. May need a belt removed to check.
Someone with more knowledge than me will hopefully be along soon.
 

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Sounds like a check over at a Mercedes specialist would be the best way forward.
That way any a/c faults can be ruled out. Going into limp mode should produce a stored code in the ECU which a good specialist with STAR diagnostics should be able to fix.

Where is your location so a member may be able to suggest a good Mercedes specialist. Stay away from the main dealer if possible, the labour and diagnostic fees are steep in comparison to a specialist.
 

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Happy to be proved wrong, but I don't see a seizing AC compressor creating a relevant code.
I had one seize, it shredded the belt and left me stranded.
Possibly there will be signs that the belt has been worn.

T'other thought is if the clutch isn't engaged with engine off, removing the belt to check if the compressor is tight might not show any issue. Can Star force an AC clutch to engage?
 
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Thank you everyone for taking your time to reply to me, I really appreciate it. I am located in Leicestershire UK and tried to book into what i believe is a specialist, they wanted £90 for a computer diagnosis which I was reluctant to do as other computers I've had on it has a code that just says boost pressure too low. Someone else spared me 10 minutes to take a look, ran his computer on it (he said mercedes equipment, I have no idea either way) and again it just said boost pressure too low, he again said probably the turbo, this was however before I noticed this weird aircon stuff. The aircon when on works perfectly, instantly, ice cold and the fans all work speed wise, it is however a bit noisy, almost like the sound of water in it coming from underneath the glove box.

I suppose I need to find somewhere to take it but I'm always so reluctant using new places, especially just from a Google search. I spoke to an aircon specialist today who had never heard of it causing issues likes this, but he is redoing the gas for me tomorrow and taking a look to see if it makes any difference.
 

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You have a leak in rubber air hose - boost pipe, by the sounds of it.
Check your rubber hoses esp at the ends, Usually a good bend of them will reveal any splits.
 

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but he is redoing the gas for me tomorrow
If there is issue with the AC compressor, regassing will be a waste of your money.
 

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If there is issue with the AC compressor, regassing will be a waste of your money.
the OP did mention he was not so hands on mechanically - ideal for a bad garage to see the dollar signs
 
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You have a leak in rubber air hose - boost pipe, by the sounds of it.
Check your rubber hoses esp at the ends, Usually a good bend of them will reveal any splits.
This had always been my assumption, and it did have a a huge crack in a metal pipe, which a garage replaced, they had the car for a week and said they couldn't find anything else wrong and told me to go to a specialist but helpfully didnt recommend me one. Again this was before I noticed this aircon thing yesterday. It may be a coincidence but it was driving so well yesterday.

If there is issue with the AC compressor, regassing will be a waste of your money.
the OP did mention he was not so hands on mechanically - ideal for a bad garage to see the dollar signs
As I said I'm so unaware with all this, the only reason for this is because from googling I found someone who described the exact same symptoms in a Vauxhall and it was due to over pressurisation of aircon. It's someone I've used regularly in the past for general car repairs and he isn't charging me to do the gas so I thought worth a try.
 

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they wanted £90 for a computer diagnosis

This is often a difficult one. A diagnosis session covers the user of a computer to read codes, then proceed down the diagnostic tree to ultimately diagnose the source of the problem. This often includes reading codes but thats maybe 10% of the total diagnostic process.

Not a dig on the OP but A LOT of garages mix "diagnostics" and "plugging it in" which are not the same, and by doing that conflate them in customers eye. This often involves customers saying the above "I have had it plugged in and I already know the code". For something simple that may be the case, but in this case its obviously not helpfull and further tests need to be done.

A good garage will charge you a diagnostics fee. It may not be cheap, but it should give you a concrete diagnosis on your fault.
 

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