CAR TAX. The dreaded

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has anyone considered the current directors of Great Britain plc. determination to rid our roads of ancient vehicles. The suggested bribe of two grand to trade in you old banger as deposit for your new merc makes me wonder if they're not trying to get as many pre tax hike cars off the road purley so more of us will pay the extra, and boy is it ever extra.:x:cry::(
 

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There is also the odd possibility that giving someone 2 grand for their old banger wont somehow turn them into new car buyers....
 
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Oh, cash for cars. Giving us back our own money. So if everyone switched overnight to electric, no duty paid. No more revenue.

What do you think they might tax then instead ? Or is duty likely to creep in on green cars anyway.

They have to get their wages somehow.
 

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Oh, cash for cars. Giving us back our own money. So if everyone switched overnight to electric, no duty paid. No more revenue.

What do you think they might tax then instead ? Or is duty likely to creep in on green cars anyway.

They have to get their wages somehow.

i guess it would be on the price of electric NO PAY NO GO :(
 

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They are offering £5grand if you change your car for a second generation electric car which will be available from 2011 ?

3 problems with this piece of Nu Labour froth.

1 - Even by 2011, the difference in cost between an electric car and a petrol / diesel will still be more than £5k.

2 - The environmental impact of making a new car is still much greater than running an old car. Even more so when you're talking about the metals required for batteries.

3 - In 2011, most electric in this country will be generated by non-renewables still. The amount of pollution an electric car ultimately produces is not as little as the green nazis want you to believe. Using a hydrocarbon fuel in your car gets converted to movement and heat (creating CO2). Using a hydrocarbon fuel (in this case gas and coal, which accounts for most electricity generated) gets converted to electricity but that electricity does not all get converted to movement in the car - a lot is lost in transmission, generation and then as heat in the car.

It's all b*****ks.

If you want to reduce CO2 emissions, move to renewable energy, give everyone free insulation and double glazing, reduce the amount of food and raw material being moved around the planet and help China and India develop renewables. When you've done that, lets worry about cars.

Now about this £2000 carrot. Nothing to do with green - see my point about new cars above - but all to do with keeping people buying new MBs / BMWs / VWs and Audis. This is folly. New cars were being made and sold before the slump because these manufacturers invested money in the markets and made most of their profit with money deals. This won't be able to happen again so they need a new revenue stream, I know - let the taxpayer bail them out some more. No thank.

The best model is the old model of only a few people being able to afford new cars and then most people went second hand and kept them on the roads for years.
 

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No, no, no, you've got it all wrong.

As long as when you leave the car you don't leave it on standby it's okay. :roll:
 

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I'd doubt your going to get £2K to buy a Benz, the allowance will probably have an emission rating below a certain level to qualify.

On the subject of electric cars, don't worry for the country with the lack of fuel tax revenue.
We'll have road pricing by satellite in due course with the added bonus of tracking honest hard working people who are already paying through the nose anyway.
 
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No, no, no, you've got it all wrong.

As long as when you leave the car you don't leave it on standby it's okay. :roll:

Like it ;)

Your right, forget the people tracking.
Gonna be electric then. Hammering it on the propaganda news today.

Yet debate to encourage people to live where they work - or - work where they live, (to reduce CO2 and energy) isnt even an issue.

Neither is there any control on house price inflation or profiteering, so we're going to have another recession / depression to look forward to before even getting over this one. :(

Maybe its another distraction.
 
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Once we have subscribed to the electric car in our droves and the peabrain Government stop getting all that tax, what then??

All the best,
 
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Of Course, sounds about right! Or tell us to fit Solar roof panels to our little grotboxes

All the best,
 

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Increased tax take on electricity - do try to keep up! :confused:

Not just increased tax to balance the £5k incentives on electric cars, but increases in taxes for the £2500 scrappage lump sum off a new car - hence all new cars will increase over time by £2500 and our taxes will increase on fuel duty.

I notice the cost of fuel is slowly creaping back up and nobody has mentioned it.

I am up for doing a rolling road block. Blocking the entry to an oil refinery is deemed a terrorist attack - this country has been in freefall since WW2. Too many people have an opinion (those in the minority) and they are listened to.

When i am in control of the UK in 20 years time i will run it without the ex-public school boys and art history/media/psychology graduates around me(waste of space- 20 years ago those people would have worked in a chicken picking factory).
 

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Not just increased tax to balance the £5k incentives on electric cars, but increases in taxes for the £2500 scrappage lump sum off a new car - hence all new cars will increase over time by £2500 and our taxes will increase on fuel duty.

Don't forget, car prices will probably go up when the current recession is over and the EU demands more money up front to cover the cost of eventual scrapping.
 

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I'd doubt your going to get £2K to buy a Benz, the allowance will probably have an emission rating below a certain level to qualify..

Yes, to get the tax payer hand out you have to buy a car thats under 1 yr old, and emits less than 160g/km. That means only french and italian tat qualifies.

On the subject of electric cars, don't worry for the country with the lack of fuel tax revenue.
We'll have road pricing by satellite in due course with the added bonus of tracking honest hard working people who are already paying through the nose anyway.

I am not against electic cars per se, its just another means of propulsion. Ignore anyone that tells you that electric cars need to have GPS road pricing as they are on the side of GPS road pricing/spy boxes. Batteries could be taxed heavily or recharching at rapid recharge stations could be taxed heavily. Most houses won't have a power supply able to charge an electic battery car up, so it will done at specialised places. No need for spying etc. Anyone that tries to push a system like that through is a stalinist who wants to electronically tag you like they do pedo's etc.
 

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Not just increased tax to balance the £5k incentives on electric cars, but increases in taxes for the £2500 scrappage lump sum off a new car - hence all new cars will increase over time by £2500 and our taxes will increase on fuel duty.

+ VAT!! :rolleyes:
 
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Also another nice little spin off for the Government is that the GPS data will give them our movements on a plate to be used by who? for what?

I noticed DVLA now sell details to anyone (supermarkets etc.)

Start of a slippery slope

All the best,
 
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Hope we all saw the further enhancement of our Napoleonic police state.
Foriegner (Dutch I think and an obviously potential terrorist) made by an enforrcement tossifer to delete photos of his son as they included pictures of public transport. (like anyone would use a bus anymore)
The way things are going - pot holes part of traffic calming etc. we'll all be taxed for the OPTION of having a car !!
 

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Also another nice little spin off for the Government is that the GPS data will give them our movements on a plate to be used by who? for what?

I noticed DVLA now sell details to anyone (supermarkets etc.)

Start of a slippery slope

All the best,

My number plates have to be blocked due to the job i do - if the ANPR camera picked them up it would just say 'for the attention of Chief inspector'
 
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