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It's a tuning box and a very expensive one at that. For similar money you could have a re-map. Now, if only we had someone advertising them on here..... :D
 

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Heads down boys ... nothing to see here ......... I presume the Chip Express is plug and play .................. would you not prfer a custom remap ? ............. there's a couple of suppliers on this forum, as well as a pletherer out there ...................
 

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as thumper says, there are many firms that can remap your car. this would offer better improvements than a plug in box as its customised to your particular car, not a generic set up to cover all cars the same model and engine. drive enough cars and you learn that identical cars (on paper) are never 100% identical at all. especially in their behaviour, so a generic plug in box will never be the best option for 99% of the model its offered for!
 

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AFAIK off the shelf maps such as offered by a couple of people here are simply generic maps for the make and model. They offer benefits over tuning boxes as most will (hopefully) alter more parameters than a box but 'custom' they are not. Custom maps would imply setting up the car on a rolling road, taking into consideration any other modifications fitted and then writing a specific map for that one car only which will be time consuming, require specialist equipment and knowledge and therefore be more expensive. Anyone with the correct basic equipment and a modicum of training can upload an existing map to a car but writing that map will be far more involved. I'm happy (as always) to be corrected on this. :D
 

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He He, why do i get the feeling you knew i was going to say something???
When the map is read and sent to evoution, it is "modified" for that vehicle. It cannot be used in another due to the fact when a ecu is read it takes the hardware and software ID and the chassis number of that vehicle.. so one "map" does not fit many. unless you buy a cheapie off fleabay.. :)
What year is your C200 mate?
 

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But is the map different from one for another car of the same model other than being coded to the ECU?
 

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Hiya mate,
each car with the same engine has a completely different map.
If you had a map to suit all, then you could in fact have a "fault" in software from original map and that fault would be transferred into each car you map with the same faulty one..
 
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Thanks for the info guys.

The reason I was considering a box was so that the dealer wouldn't know that I'd remapped it when I took it in for a service or repair.
 

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Even with the MB approved chips, the warranty is reduced to 60k miles so presumably there is extra wear and tear from the higher performance -as we would expect.

Non approved chips from the many small suppliers make the 3 year warranty invalid and no chance of goodwill contributions in year 4 either. So IMO only older cars should consider non MB approved chips -unless happy to lose the warranty etc.

Then as AutoExpress point out most insurance companies will load your premium or even refuse insurance if you modify. Although chip makers often claim there are no insurance problems, phone your insurance comany and they will almost certainly say that any mods have to be declared. Have an accident and if any mods are detected they can refuse to pay out. Could be expensive. So always notify your insurance company.

See this from the Evolution Chips own website: -
"What about my car insurance?
As we are sure you know, it is against the law not to inform your insurance company of any modifications you make to your vehicle, so to ease any concerns you may have about potential price increases, we have teamed up with one of the country’s best performance car insurers who have agreed to potentially leave your premiums from them unchanged if you have had tuning done by us. They can afford to do this as being a specialist insurers they fully understand and appreciate the benefits of tuning done by a professional and reputable company.
Click through to get an online quote or call now to find out more (don't forget to mention Evolution Chips please)...
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Hi mate, if you have a box on then you can remove it, but a remap in invisible to a dealer.. :)

Come on Steve, you can do better than that. You know full well that a map is visible to anyone who goes looking for it. Even a tuning box will leave traces.

Why the disinformation and continued false claims? :rolleyes:
 

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AFAIK off the shelf maps such as offered by a couple of people here are simply generic maps for the make and model. They offer benefits over they are not. Custom maps would imply setting up the car on a rolling road,

Couldnt agree more,Unless a car is remap on a rolling road it is just a generic map
 

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why would they "see" a different map?, they would have to really go out of there way to find any difference. so it is not visible..
And the maps are modified to suit each vehicle, not one fits all!! so you do not need a rolling road.

Good grief!! There's so much wrong with that post I don't know where to start.... :shock:
 

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why would they "see" a different map?, they would have to really go out of there way to find any difference. so it is not visible..
And the maps are modified to suit each vehicle, not one fits all!! so you do not need a rolling road.

On another thread on another forum, someone who works for a company that does remapping has said that most dealers flash the ECU every time the car is serviced (often for updates and so on) and that the remap needs redoing each time a service is done. Do you agree and how do you deal with this problem?
 

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You'll belive anything !! .................. and then help spread the myths ................ I bet you work for a car manufacturer ....... if not ................ they should love you, and give you a new car every 2 years !!
 

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On another thread on another forum, someone who works for a company that does remapping has said that most dealers flash the ECU every time the car is serviced (often for updates and so on) and that the remap needs redoing each time a service is done. Do you agree and how do you deal with this problem?

Not trying to jump on any of the bandwagons here, but if as you have said many times, that the cars are already optimised as much as they can be, why would MB be updating the ECU ?
 


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