Folding Mirrors

[EssexOwl]

We have recently purchased a 2003/53 C200 Coupe. Unfortuantely the previous owners didn't choose to add the Electric Folding Wing Mirror options when they bought the car from new (or the buttons to do this aren't where the manual says they should be!).

When I tried to fold the wing mirrors in by hand they were a bit reluctant. Could any one tell me if the wing mirrors can be folded in by hand??

Apologises if this is a daft question but as the car isn't mine I didn't want to bust it straight away.

Thanks
Andy

 

[television]

Hi Andy, Just give them a push and they will fold in, and you just pull them out and they will click into place

 

[Alfie]

We have recently purchased a 2003/53 C200 Coupe. Unfortuantely the previous owners didn't choose to add the Electric Folding Wing Mirror options when they bought the car from new (or the buttons to do this aren't where the manual says they should be!).

When I tried to fold the wing mirrors in by hand they were a bit reluctant. Could any one tell me if the wing mirrors can be folded in by hand??

Apologises if this is a daft question but as the car isn't mine I didn't want to bust it straight away.

Thanks
Andy

Auto/electric folding mirrors can be retrofitted. I've done a few :wink:

 

[hawk20]

Hi Andy, Just give them a push and they will fold in, and you just pull them out and they will click into place

Please don't misunderstand this, Malcolm. Are you sure they can be folded manually? I ask for two reasons. 1. I tried it on an E class and on the 203 C class and in both cases it was so relectant to fold I thought it would break it if I tried any harder.
2. The sales guy at my local dealer told my daughter (who has just bought an A class) that you cannot manually fold them. But then we all know sales people often know less about the cars than they should.

 

[NewMB]

Please don't misunderstand this, Malcolm. Are you sure they can be folded manually? I ask for two reasons. 1. I tried it on an E class and on the 203 C class and in both cases it was so relectant to fold I thought it would break it if I tried any harder.
2. The sales guy at my local dealer told my daughter (who has just bought an A class) that you cannot manually fold them. But then we all know sales people often know less about the cars than they should.

1. I agree. Same thing on wife's A class. Very hard to fold and I gave up in the end as I thought I would break them!

 

[eGuru]

Could not fold the mirrors on my W202. Was told the spring was to stop them from snapping off.

 

[television]

I have never seen a fixed mirror in year, the idea being that if someone wlks by an knocks them, they fold.

All of the mirrors(10) in the link fold and there are only folding mirrors there

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...603716.604&CT=F&cat=69J&SID=72&SGR=331&SGN=06

 

[Alfie]

I have never seen a fixed mirror in year, the idea being that if someone wlks by an knocks them, they fold.

All of the mirrors(10) in the link fold and there are only folding mirrors there

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...603716.604&CT=F&cat=69J&SID=72&SGR=331&SGN=06

No. That is not true. See the other thread about mirrors.

There are definately some suspicious sources of information around.

All too often i'm reading posts where answers have been given out that are completely wrong. On the other forum there are one or two contributors who correct this information but here that does not happen.

Much as I respect your contributions Malcolm, I think you must have out of date documentation or your copy of WIS is wrong. I know that you are trying to help people (and boost your post count) but please only give out information that is correct.

 

[television]

There are 4 window frames listed in the rusky site, there are no fixed mirrors shown in WIS and one can do no more than pass this info on.

I do not get much wrong, in fact I get far more right than wrong as anyone can see by the thanks that I get both here and elsewhere.

Not all threads can run smoothly owing to the complexity or nature of the fault even when someone uses their own car and experiences as a guide.

 

[Dave's E55 AMG]

Mine are set up on auto fold away and they get used all the time. I caught one a few weeks age in the car wash on some rubber flap and it folded back ok

 

[Alfie]

There are 4 window frames listed in the rusky site, there are no fixed mirrors shown in WIS and one can do no more than pass this info on.

I do not get much wrong, in fact I get far more right than wrong as anyone can see by the thanks that I get both here and elsewhere.

Not all threads can run smoothly owing to the complexity or nature of the fault even when someone uses their own car and experiences as a guide.

Malcolm,

I'm sure you do make a valuable contribution but there have been a number of references lately that are just plain wrong. Particularly on the other site. This info about mirrors is a good example.

Please do not trust the Russian site. The info on it is often out of date and often incorrect. If you want to provide up to date info get an EPC net account and an authorised (legal and upto date) version of WIS.

People come here for advice the very least we can do is to give them accurate answers.

 

[philharve]

Could not fold the mirrors on my W202. Was told the spring was to stop them from snapping off.

Like eGuru my W202 wing mirrors 'appear' not to fold to a park position. There is a powerful (very powerful) spring that resists movement and I would be afraid to apply my full body weight behind my attempt to fold them back for fear of damaging them.

From what year were folding mirrors introduced on Mercedes models? Also, were they an option or were they a standard fitment? When were self-parking mirrors introduced?

My primary interest is in my W reg. W202 because I don't believe they can be manually parked but I'd be happy to be proved wrong. Maybe there's some secret control lever that makes folding a whole lot easier and I haven't discovered it in my 3 years of ownership.

REGARDS

Phil

 

[bigasotonuk]

Hi,
My 1997 (i 'think' this was the first year they were fitted to a W202), W202, C230K has folding mirrors which were fitted from new as an option.
As far as i,m aware if you don,t have electrically folding mirrors, your mirrors will not fold, as others have said they are only held in that position by a strong (very strong) spring.
To fit folding mirrors on a w202 (think it applies to the E class w210 too) only involves fitting a relatively inexpensive wiring loom available from Mercedes, 2 new folding type mirrors (available from ECP as a pattern items now) and fitting a new switch in your centre console.
I do have a PDF file with detailed instructions and appears to be an official Mercedes document to fit folding mirrors, if any one would like a copy, message me.

 

[television]

Malcolm,

I'm sure you do make a valuable contribution but there have been a number of references lately that are just plain wrong. Particularly on the other site.

One thread Alfie, and that is not over with yet, and believe me I also correct a lot of other people,

.

People come here for advice the very least we can do is to give them accurate answers.

In most cases the info I give is correct, there are MB engineers working on this site and we all get along fine and help each other through the post.

There are many post where no one else answers, and I have seen it through from start to the finish

 

[David Nock]

Gentlemen, please.
If our valued experts start squabbling (and I mean that term strongly in respect of you Alfie and you Malcolm), then us well meaning ball bags hesitate to post in case it brings down wrath from above.
I'd trust both of you with my car's life (and that kind of confidence don't come easy), so if there's doubt or an error on occasion, so what. Post a gentle correction and lets get on with this friendly forum.
PS I'm almost certain (but not 100%) that my old 2001 C Class C180 Classic mirrors would fold if you were brave enough to give it some.

 

[philharve]

Gentlemen, please.
If our valued experts start squabbling (and I mean that term strongly in respect of you Alfie and you Malcolm), then us well meaning ball bags hesitate to post in case it brings down wrath from above.
I'd trust both of you with my car's life (and that kind of confidence don't come easy), so if there's doubt or an error on occasion, so what. Post a gentle correction and lets get on with this friendly forum.
PS I'm almost certain (but not 100%) that my old 2001 C Class C180 Classic mirrors would fold if you were brave enough to give it some.

Hi David

Are you brave enough to give it some? If you can prove they will fold then will I try to get mine to fold too. If they will fold then why is the return spring so damned strong? The presence of such a strong spring suggests to me that the wing mirrors where designed to resist deflection by passing vehicles. They were not designed to be parked by hand pressure.

REGARDS

Phil

 

[hawk20]

May I respectively suggest that if the mirrors were designed to fold manually it would be in someone's handbook?

No reply to my earlier posting. Any reason, Malcolm?

 

[Nige 57]

My 2003 W203 doesn't have folding mirrors either electronic or manual :-(


Nige

 

[Alfie]

In most cases the info I give is correct, there are MB engineers working on this site and we all get along fine and help each other through the post.

There are many post where no one else answers, and I have seen it through from start to the finish

Malcolm, I was going to let this drop but I'm afraid you need to understand some things.

There are things which dont sit right.

1). A number of your posts have been wrong on both forums. It is only now that I've spoken out about it and believe me this issue has been discussed with other forum members and quite frankly they are of the same opinion. The mistake you have made is to question people who know an infinite more about a subject than you do. Your inaccuracies are not limited to a single thread.

2). You are using a dodgy website for information and run an old illegal copy of WIS which is out of date.


The above said, I recognise that you have made some good contibutions. But the general view of those I've spoken to on both forums is that you are simply trying to boost your post count.

This is my final posting on this subject.

 

[hawk20]

Malcolm, I was going to let this drop but I'm afraid you need to understand some things.

There are things which dont sit right.

1). A number of your posts have been wrong on both forums. It is only now that I've spoken out about it and believe me this issue has been discussed with other forum members and quite frankly they are of the same opinion. The mistake you have made is to question people who know an infinite more about a subject than you do. Your inaccuracies are not limited to a single thread.

2). You are using a dodgy website for information and run an old illegal copy of WIS which is out of date.

The above said, I recognise that you have made some good contibutions. But the general view of those I've spoken to on both forums is that you are simply trying to boost your post count.

This is my final posting on this subject.

Oh, Alfie. I think that is very unfair. I am a great fan of yours and have recommended you often on both forums and will continue to do so. What is the point of a high post count? It buys nothing; it signifies nothing. Malcolm likes helping people. He may not always be right -nobody is- but I think he likes the forum as much as anybody, the chit chat, the company, the challenge of some of the more obscure problems, all of it. Isn't that what we all enjoy? And it's a break from the TV too!