Performance Brake Pads (here we go again!)

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Ok, I'm well aware of how many brake pad/disc threads exist, and the notable, if not significant differences in perceived performance between the usual Eicher quality through to the OEM Texar/ATE, with everything Pagid in between. But...

Having run Pagid all round on our W220 S320CDi for a few years, the level of fade when they (often) get hot is just too bad. Where we live there are plenty of opportunities to need to really push the (standard) brakes on this already heavy car, and we cant afford to put '600/AMG stoppers on it at present.

I want to avoid EBC Yellow, because from experience on other cars, they need too much warming up, and even though they are 'R90' and work really well when hot, i dont feel they are safe for UK road use, such as needing to do sudden stops on the Motorway when they have cooled right down.

So, simply, can anyone suggest other manufacturers who make 'performance' pads to fit the W220 S-class for us to try, without me having to wait for 4 weeks and £200 later for CarboTech to make me some pads!??

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EBC changed the formula for the reds 3 years ago, they are amazing, I had them on my SL and now have them on my CL and the stopping power is amazing from ice cold, a good life as well
 
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I had Tarox 'fast road' pads and discs on a previous car which I thought were very good, not cheap though. Black Diamond, Ferodo etc should all have upgrade 'fast road' pads.
 
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Surely if you're driving an S-Class to make the brakes fade, you're in the wrong car?
 

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Ok, I'm well aware of how many brake pad/disc threads exist, and the notable, if not significant differences in perceived performance between the usual Eicher quality through to the OEM Texar/ATE, with everything Pagid in between. But...

Having run Pagid all round on our W220 S320CDi for a few years, the level of fade when they (often) get hot is just too bad. Where we live there are plenty of opportunities to need to really push the (standard) brakes on this already heavy car, and we cant afford to put '600/AMG stoppers on it at present.

I want to avoid EBC Yellow, because from experience on other cars, they need too much warming up, and even though they are 'R90' and work really well when hot, i dont feel they are safe for UK road use, such as needing to do sudden stops on the Motorway when they have cooled right down.

So, simply, can anyone suggest other manufacturers who make 'performance' pads to fit the W220 S-class for us to try, without me having to wait for 4 weeks and £200 later for CarboTech to make me some pads!??

Thanks!

We took the 221 to the Pyrenees last year, where there was nothing but snaking mountain roads, and we had no problems with the brakes. Maybe you should be using the gears more ?
 

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Having had a set, I'd try the Carbotechs. I assume you've checked the discs, calipers & wheel bearings and changed the fluid already

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We took the 221 to the Pyrenees last year, where there was nothing but snaking mountain roads, and we had no problems with the brakes. Maybe you should be using the gears more ?

As the OP says, he wants brakes that work now and not in a second or two time so, when having to brake heavily from very high speed, changing down just may not be an option.

I cannot understand why MB brakes are so average when Porsche brakes of the same spec - disc diameter and number of pistons in the caliper - are so damned good. Even allowing for the weight difference, my CLK55 has about two thirds of the stopping power of a 996 on the same spec system. I, too, am interested in changing and was considering EBC Yellow but will now ponder the Red again.
 

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Odd. As I found the brakes on the 996 (turbo variant) to be lacking.

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Odd. As I found the brakes on the 996 (turbo variant) to be lacking.

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Never had a problem with 911 brakes at all - 3.2/964/993 and 996. My last one - 996GT3 - had immediate bite, a high pedal and pulled the car down from 175mph at Bruntingthorpe 40 times in one afternoon - the discs didn't look good mind, but there was absolutely no loss of confidence that they would stop every time. Same size disc and four piston caliper, as per the CLK55. There was one there that day, stripped out and delimited, which was just the same speed as my car but he was constantly limited by his brakes which did not have that initial bite which allows you to leave it to the last minute. Ultimate braking was there but the first phase was very sadly lacking - I know, I tried it.............
 

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GT3 may have been different brakes from what I recall! The 911s I have had, the brakes felt wooden! They did stop you in the end, but very different from most modern cars, where you feel the bite!
 

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GT3 may have been different brakes from what I recall! The 911s I have had, the brakes felt wooden! They did stop you in the end, but very different from most modern cars, where you feel the bite!

I think the 996 turbo had 6 piston calipers and a bigger disc than the GT3 so you might expect it to feel about the same I guess, given the weight difference - about 300kg I think. I think the way we all perceive this stuff is very different and one person's immediate bite is another's delay. Ho hum. I shall try Red Stuff pads anyway before chucking £3000 at bigger brakes.........
 

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As the OP says, he wants brakes that work now and not in a second or two time so, when having to brake heavily from very high speed, changing down just may not be an option.

I cannot understand why MB brakes are so average when Porsche brakes of the same spec - disc diameter and number of pistons in the caliper - are so damned good. Even allowing for the weight difference, my CLK55 has about two thirds of the stopping power of a 996 on the same spec system. I, too, am interested in changing and was considering EBC Yellow but will now ponder the Red again.

The OP did not seem to be complaining about lack of response, but of "the level of fade when they (often) get hot is just too bad, and I would have thought they can only get really hot after prolonged use.
 

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I do not think the the reds will ever fade,but I have never pushed my cars that hard
 

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I'm out of this one :D

I know how you feel, crazy that we are the only forum in the world where some things cannot be discussed, but this one is going OK so far :D:D
 

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I know how you feel, crazy that we are the only forum in the world where some things cannot be discussed, but this one is going OK so far :D:D

It is a shame how some members cannot accept another's opinion without having to constantly come back trying to have the last word .. :D :D :D
 

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Which are best. Standard, Red, Green or Yellow?

If I knew how to create a "Poll", I would. Maybe a moderator could start a poll to see what everyones experiences are?
 

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Which are best. Standard, Red, Green or Yellow?

If I knew how to create a "Poll", I would. Maybe a moderator could start a poll to see what everyones experiences are?

The pads have different characteristics for different applications and cars, most have never used them and they would vote against them.
 

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The OP did not seem to be complaining about lack of response, but of "the level of fade when they (often) get hot is just too bad, and I would have thought they can only get really hot after prolonged use.
..but he did mention Yellow Stuff pads not being suitable as they had no bite when cold...
 
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