running on water

[television]

http://drivewater.com/lmallot/


what do you think

 

[CHEWIE]

Could be something in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen_flame

 

[CHEWIE]

http://ezinearticles.com/?HHO-Gas-Car-Modification&id=882198

 

[whitenemesis]

Electrolysis...

You would be using hydrogen and oxygen to boost power. I read something similar many years ago and apparently Ford bought the patent for this.

If this was really possible engine tuners / manufacturers would have banging on about it long ago.

The old adage, "if it's too good to be true.." should apply here!

That said people have used water injection to cool the input from forced induction systems but to densify the charge.

 

[kemp2368]

i wonder what the petrol and diesel companies think of it

 

[television]

thinking about this and the price of water from South-west water the price will end up the same

 

[CHEWIE]

http://www.metacafe.com/tags/hho/

Fancy making your own?

 

[oldcro]

We've been using this converter here for the last couple of years, five gallons of water into the fuel tank lasts for 874.23 miles. We were warned not to let on about how we do it as a national drought could result, so please do not mention my name in relation to this story.

 

[SLinKyjoe]

i wonder what the petrol and diesel companies think of it

They will be busy making it a reality, so they can sell them, or make the stuff for us!

But as Petrol is only part of their lot, I am sure they don't really care about it. Oil is still needed for lubricants etc, making tyres and other things!

 

[GKH]

hello all
no good down here in saudi arabia petrol 7p per liter water 21p per liter
regards glynne

 

[jberks]

snake oil anyone?

Extracting hydrogen from water to produce more power that it took to extract it in the first place is the holy grail of the energy world. Effectively you'd have solved the perpetual motion canundrum, have free electricity forever and we could all forget all about global warming. Ships would run on it and there'd be no need for nuclear reactors on submarines. Patents or not, the military would have been using it for years. Car manufacturers would be laughing at the EUs CO2 emmission changes, not paying lobbyists and lawyers millions to get them around it. After all a 68% (per their web site) reduced fuel cost would reduce co2 by a similar amount.

Hydrogen powered cars only work because someone has previously used some other form of power (and more of it into the bargain) to extract the hydrogen from water in the first place.

The welding thing was interesting, until you realise that he only burned stuff that burns at low temperatures. Lets see it on sheet steel - oh no you can't. Apparently hydrogen welding has been around for decades anyway.

The guy's 'cartridge' amused me. $20 for the cartridge and if you activate it it only lasts 30 days and produces just enough power to recharge your phone. How is this cheap available energy? Given that the cartridge must produce hydrogen from water and the only way to do that is with electrolysis, wha's the betting that the bit that wears out on the cartridge is tha liion battery at the bottom!
Or
"Hydrogen is produced by a closed cyclic process involving the reaction of chromic oxide with an alkali metal hydroxide to produce hydrogen, water and an alkali metal hypochromate as reaction products. The hypochromate is converted to the chromate by reaction with water to also produce the beginning chromic oxide and alkali metal hydroxide. The cycle is completed by reacting the thus formed chromate with the excess alkali metal hydroxide at a higher temperature to produce hypochromate water and oxygen." so it's got a noxious chemical pack at the bottom.

The bottom line is 2H2 + O2 = 2H2O + ENERGY - if anyone ever comes up with a way to remove the 'energy' bit from this equasion, they're in for a vast fortune, world fame and a nobel prize. I doubt they'd need to advertise at a trade show!

 

[hairyg]

Perpetual motion anyone?

I can accept that injecting a hydrogen-oxygen mixture into the inlet tract would reduce the amount of petrol needed to achieve the same power output from the engine.

The problem is with providing the energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen in the first place.

In the system under discussion this comes from the car's battery, which is recharged by the engine via the alternator. None of these components are 100% efficient (or anywhere near in most cases) so you must have to put more stored energy in than you get out at the crankshaft.

A quick scan on the web seems to suggest that you would need a current of around 40amps at 12 volts to produce any amount of HHO at all.

Basically it all looks too good to be true, but at $49 it might be worth giving it a try. I suspect that is what the promoter is banking on.

Richard G
W129 SL320 (bog standard apart from LPG conversion)