Rusting Mercedes 2007 ML.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

There seems to be a lot of confusion going on here, especially on what was a bodywork rust thread! It has to be said Partsman that MB certainly CAN'T carry out worth while R&D on their own paint finishes and anti corrosion treatments as borne out by the horror stories of this very forum.

That a supposedly quality mainstream high volume German vehicle manufacturer CANNOT successfully reproduce an acceptable cosmetic vehicle finish that lasts a minimum of 8 years, is pathetic. More so when the rest of the industry at the buy/throw-away end of the market [ Ford] are doing exactly that.

Perhaps MB should start to recruit their senior production, body pressing,construction and corrosion prevention engineeers from Ford?

Braking components are always brought in parts, no vehicle manufacturer has a facility to make their own................simply uneconomic.

Fake, counterfeit vehicle components purport to be something they're definitely not and that is 'fit for the purpose intended', as your link shows.This is dangerous to the user and criminal activity by the perpetrator's. This is a million miles away from visiting a reputable motor factor and purchasing either OEM quality components, or genuine pattern parts at a cost saving.

As a engineer of fourty years standing I've spent a fair few years at work doing exactly this; avoiding the OEM's large price mark up on spares for inservice support. That a large government organisation spent years pursuing this policy should bear witness to the cost savings to be made and thus its validity!

What's the difference Partsman between a MB, BMW or Jaguar built in the same year, for the EU market , of similar weight, power and a very similar braking requirement? Market forces mean that all three vehicles will of necessity have very similar stopping distances..........thus very similar IF NOT INDENTICAL Friction material!

I think you've been brainwashed by the organisation you purport to work for!

 

[hawk20]

It is absurd to even suggest that MB don't do extensive research into all major parts of their cars. The invention of Nano paint is but one example of MB working for some years with specialist paint makers to get the coating they wanted. I posted a link to an excellent article on that earlier.

MO tyres are developed by MB with their suppliers. MB choose the compound they want that gives them the 'right' combination of grip and wear resistance. And the flexibilty of the wall of the tyre is an important factor in road holding and comfort. Tyres that meet the final chosen spec are sold as MO. And not just by MB dealers but available from many normal tyre suppliers. Mercedes don't always limit all parts that meet their OE spec to sale by themselves.

 

[television]

Thanks Teddy bear, I was going to say about the other cars of the same weight and performance, also about the grip from the tyres, also an important factor, scale in the 72% front and 28% rear braking distribution and it is a mine field that the brake manufacture deal with so well.

 

[hawk20]

Some may find this an interesting article on Mercedes paint processes: -
http://www.ae-plus.com/Key topics/kt-materials8.htm

 

[hawk20]

Didn't you?
OK, ill leave it for now, but I would like an answer, because understanding the definition of "O.E. Quality Supplier" is very important when making decisions on what to buy, and why.

Thanks for your useful posts. Can you enlighten the less technical of us on the definition please?

 

[television]

It is absurd to even suggest that MB don't do extensive research into all major parts of their cars. The invention of Nano paint is but one example of MB working for some years with specialist paint makers to get the coating they wanted. I posted a link to an excellent article on that earlier.

MO tyres are developed by MB with their suppliers. MB choose the compound they want that gives them the 'right' combination of grip and wear resistance. And the flexibilty of the wall of the tyre is an important factor in road holding and comfort. Tyres that meet the final chosen spec are sold as MO. And not just by MB dealers but available from many normal tyre suppliers. Mercedes don't always limit all parts that meet their OE spec to sale by themselves.

Here you are again telling us what MB do, when in fact the only info you have comes from glossy sales books.

Where was the last trade show that you went to, did you sit in on the seminars. Have you taken part in any of the R2R that has been going on. When did you last speak or have correspondence from a tyre manufacture or any come to that.

You clearly do not understand copyrights and the rules that apply, If you are trying to tell us that MB have a design and research team for tyres, then that is sad, not many cars in the showrooms these days with MO tyres

I was hoping that some of the silly answers would stop coming in on this subject, when you do not know, do not try and tell us what goes on please.

Its a shame when an interesting subject like this is killed by comment like those given

 

[Mr Teddy Bear]

It is absurd to even suggest that MB don't do extensive research into all major parts of their cars. The invention of Nano paint is but one example of MB working for some years with specialist paint makers to get the coating they wanted. I posted a link to an excellent article on that earlier.

MO tyres are developed by MB with their suppliers. MB choose the compound they want that gives them the 'right' combination of grip and wear resistance. And the flexibilty of the wall of the tyre is an important factor in road holding and comfort. Tyres that meet the final chosen spec are sold as MO. And not just by MB dealers but available from many normal tyre suppliers. Mercedes don't always limit all parts that meet their OE spec to sale by themselves.

I said "It has to be said Partsman that MB certainly CAN'T carry out worth while R&D on their own paint finishes and anti corrosion treatments as borne out by the horror stories of this very forum."

Extensive is not the same as worthwhile.

Tyres are a very poor example Hawk; that's merely a deal between MB and a particular Tyre Manufacturer that allow the manufacturer to charge a mark up on a particular tyre when guillable MB owners need replacement rubber:lol:

 

[television]

Thanks for your useful posts. Can you enlighten the less technical of us on the definition please?

If you do not know you should not have to ask

 

[hawk20]

Here you are again telling us what MB do, when in fact the only info you have comes from glossy sales books.

Where was the last trade show that you went to, did you sit in on the seminars. Have you taken part in any of the R2R that has been going on. When did you last speak or have correspondence from a tyre manufacture or any come to that.

You clearly do not understand copyrights and the rules that apply, If you are trying to tell us that MB have a design and research team for tyres, then that is sad, not many cars in the showrooms these days with MO tyres

I was hoping that some of the silly answers would stop coming in on this subject, when you do not know, do not try and tell us what goes on please.

Its a shame when an interesting subject like this is killed by comment like those given

To be God must be wonderful. To be God, judge, jury and executioner as well must be even better.

Post what you want. I'll post what I want. That is what a forum is.

 

[Miffy]

back on topic guys please, this personal tooing and froing helps nobody.

 

[Alex M Grieve]

back on topic guys please, this personal tooing and froing helps nobody.

Well said Mark. You don't have a Yellow Card by any chance?

 

[television]

Post what you want. I'll post what I want. That is what a forum is.

But you do post what you want, its that that causes all the friction. If I answer a post and I do not know the answer I say so. I do know that when you use the word "all" on some post, that another word might go down better, like "some" "a few" or even "maybe".

But please remember that this is a quality forum where information given out should be actual fact where possible.

 

[hawk20]

back on topic guys please, this personal tooing and froing helps nobody.

I do so agree but please do notice where the abuse starts. No fun being Judy.

 

[hawk20]

But please remember that this is a quality forum where information given out should be actual fact where possible.

Excellent. Does that mean you will stop saying Mercedes are built from rubbish steel now that Dieselman has convincingly corrected you?
And will stop saying that Mercedes uses the same paint as everyone else -which I pointed out was not true and gave a link to an expert article on the subject. You are not the fount of all wisdom.

 

[television]

I do so agree but please do notice where the abuse starts. No fun being Judy.

If I post wrong, then I am grateful for the one putting me right, I am wrong loads of times, but I thank the one that corrected me always. Now If I try and correct you you shout "I am being abused"

Without any argument or any abuse, how can you join a thread saying that MB workshops have more gear the indies, when you do not have a clue what workshops have at all. and yet you post in an authoritative manner.

 

[Cole@MBS]

Our "local" dealer group borrow a certain cutting tool we have, guess they see it cheaper to "hire" ours than buy one!!

Now what the hell has that got to do with rust!!!!

 

[Xtractorfan]

Our "local" dealer group borrow a certain cutting tool we have, guess they see it cheaper to "hire" ours than buy one!!

Now what the hell has that got to do with rust!!!!

Yes exactly..nothing to do with rust..and why isn't Missyd posting for you...lizzy expects answers..

 

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Excellent. Does that mean you will stop saying Mercedes are built from rubbish steel now that Dieselman has convincingly corrected you?
And will stop saying that Mercedes uses the same paint as everyone else -which I pointed out was not true and gave a link to an expert article on the subject. You are not the fount of all wisdom.

I dont wish to comment regarding the paint Hawk; however Dieselman certainly hasn't convinced me of anything regarding his opinion of mild steel quality.

I'm not an expert on steels myself but to effectively claim that there is a defacto standard for all mild steel sheet no matter where it's manufactured simply as a bye product of the manufacturing process is an unsubstantiated argument.

 

[television]

Excellent. Does that mean you will stop saying Mercedes are built from rubbish steel now that Dieselman has convincingly corrected you?
And will stop saying that Mercedes uses the same paint as everyone else -which I pointed out was not true and gave a link to an expert article on the subject. You are not the fount of all wisdom.

Sadly dieselman has not convincingly corrected me and he does not work for MB as a quality or steel buyer, he gave his view and others have given theirs, but nothing factual at all.

There is talk almost in the same post saying that "if the components were dipped then there would be no rust on the edges" The cars are dipped twice , one phosphate and one filler so that puts that theory out of the window.

So please do not try and use other members to win what you do not know, thank you.

 

[television]

Our "local" dealer group borrow a certain cutting tool we have, guess they see it cheaper to "hire" ours than buy one!!

Now what the hell has that got to do with rust!!!!

I guess the tools go rusty when they get wet