JimM
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Hello members.
This law will come into force in October: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31310685
It gets my back up because there is no such being as a "child" who is over 16 years of age, because they are classified as independent adults under UK law, so they are then able to legally turn gay, die of alcohol poisoning, leave home, report their parents to the police and social care services if they try to restrict or discipline them, have sex with anyone they like of similar or greater age whether their parents like it or not, and other ridiculous "freedoms". They are not children by any stretch of the imagination, except to silly people living in the last century.
If these "children" do object to smoking then they are also able to ask the other occupants not to smoke, of their own accord, and can even insist to get out of the car and find their own way if the smokers do not co-operate.
I totally agree for the enforcement when real children, i.e. 15 years old or less (but even 13 is border-line in real life), are in the car since they may not be able to persuade their parents or fellow-passengers to not smoke in the car, but again it gets my wick that any law should be necessary for us to fall foul of it unintentionally when any young adult of 16-18 is in the car, when only daft irresponsible parents would in fact continue to smoke these days with their or anyone else's kids in the car.
I feel very angry about this and I really want to start or get involved in a national petition to reduce the age to under-16s, not under-18s.
After all the kids also consider themselves not to be subject to any governance at that age and able to speak their own minds - ask your own if you don't believe me.
Consider the next ridiculous law which is sure to follow:- there are many complaints already about smoking in our own cars because of the few accidents caused by people fumbling for dropped cigarettes.
Once this one becomes law, how long will the global ban on smoking in our own car at all take?
Have you noticed that there are already surreptitious bans on smoking in many open areas?
Those crept up on us too.
We smokers are being harassed and persecuted more and more. I don't want to stop anyone else from smoking, it is their right if they want to risk dying in that way. I am only a casual pipe and cigar smoker myself so I can do without for long periods, but I resent these increasing nonsensical controls a lot and I am prepared to defend the rights of "real" smokers who feel they can't complete a car journey without a fag, no matter how ridiculous this may seem to the rest of us.
They should be free to smoke in their own car if the other occupants have no objection and if they are 16 or over.
No passenger will smoke in a car whose driver asks them not to. (Wifeys and hubbies excepted of course).
It's another human right removed from a diminishing minority of the UK population, and we are losing yet another unique British principle on which this nation was built: "I may disagree with you, but I will fight for your right to maintain your freedom to do so".
As long as I want to only?
The politicians have other motives. We voted for them yes (maybe) but now the 400 can do what they please without consulting us? That is not democracy, it is Oligarchy - the rule of the many by a few. Just like a dictatorship. Or the hated Communism.
Today it's one of my freedoms which is being taken away, if this is allowed to be enforced on top of the other anti-smoker harassments, then more will follow until one or more of your own freedoms which you may not realise you have are taken away too. Look back on what has already happened.
It's already bad enough that my pipe won't fit into the stupidly small ashtray on my S Type. This is the last straw!
Your opinions are welcome.
If you agree with me then what is our option to rally support to reduce the age of these hypothetical and non-existent "children" at least to under-16s?
Thanks
This law will come into force in October: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31310685
It gets my back up because there is no such being as a "child" who is over 16 years of age, because they are classified as independent adults under UK law, so they are then able to legally turn gay, die of alcohol poisoning, leave home, report their parents to the police and social care services if they try to restrict or discipline them, have sex with anyone they like of similar or greater age whether their parents like it or not, and other ridiculous "freedoms". They are not children by any stretch of the imagination, except to silly people living in the last century.
If these "children" do object to smoking then they are also able to ask the other occupants not to smoke, of their own accord, and can even insist to get out of the car and find their own way if the smokers do not co-operate.
I totally agree for the enforcement when real children, i.e. 15 years old or less (but even 13 is border-line in real life), are in the car since they may not be able to persuade their parents or fellow-passengers to not smoke in the car, but again it gets my wick that any law should be necessary for us to fall foul of it unintentionally when any young adult of 16-18 is in the car, when only daft irresponsible parents would in fact continue to smoke these days with their or anyone else's kids in the car.
I feel very angry about this and I really want to start or get involved in a national petition to reduce the age to under-16s, not under-18s.
After all the kids also consider themselves not to be subject to any governance at that age and able to speak their own minds - ask your own if you don't believe me.
Consider the next ridiculous law which is sure to follow:- there are many complaints already about smoking in our own cars because of the few accidents caused by people fumbling for dropped cigarettes.
Once this one becomes law, how long will the global ban on smoking in our own car at all take?
Have you noticed that there are already surreptitious bans on smoking in many open areas?
Those crept up on us too.
We smokers are being harassed and persecuted more and more. I don't want to stop anyone else from smoking, it is their right if they want to risk dying in that way. I am only a casual pipe and cigar smoker myself so I can do without for long periods, but I resent these increasing nonsensical controls a lot and I am prepared to defend the rights of "real" smokers who feel they can't complete a car journey without a fag, no matter how ridiculous this may seem to the rest of us.
They should be free to smoke in their own car if the other occupants have no objection and if they are 16 or over.
No passenger will smoke in a car whose driver asks them not to. (Wifeys and hubbies excepted of course).
It's another human right removed from a diminishing minority of the UK population, and we are losing yet another unique British principle on which this nation was built: "I may disagree with you, but I will fight for your right to maintain your freedom to do so".
As long as I want to only?
The politicians have other motives. We voted for them yes (maybe) but now the 400 can do what they please without consulting us? That is not democracy, it is Oligarchy - the rule of the many by a few. Just like a dictatorship. Or the hated Communism.
Today it's one of my freedoms which is being taken away, if this is allowed to be enforced on top of the other anti-smoker harassments, then more will follow until one or more of your own freedoms which you may not realise you have are taken away too. Look back on what has already happened.
It's already bad enough that my pipe won't fit into the stupidly small ashtray on my S Type. This is the last straw!
Your opinions are welcome.
If you agree with me then what is our option to rally support to reduce the age of these hypothetical and non-existent "children" at least to under-16s?
Thanks