symptoms fuel related?

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Recently my E320 CDI (2000) had unleaded petrol added to the tank, resulting in a 75% petrol/25% diesel mixture (approx). The mistake wasn't realised at the garage and the car was driven some 3 - 4 miles home. It was only when the car wouldn't start again later, that the error was identified.

It went to a Mercedes main Dealer for examination and repairs. They drained the tank, flushed the system and replaced the high-pressure fuel pump.

After collecting the car, I noticed a lot of dark smoke when accelerating hard. I reported this but was told this was normal and would clear after a short while.

The smoking has improved but it still happens when accelerating hard to overtake. I have also noticed it 'hunting' slightly at tickover and sounding 'rougher'. Furthermore, I have increasingly noticed the smell of diesel fumes when stationary. This latter symptom is definitely getting worse and I have to turn the heater fan off when stationary.

None of these symptoms were present before the fuel error.

I called the chap who services my car, now on his own but with many years Mercedes Dealership experience. Firstly, he expressed surprise that the injectors and fuel rail weren't replaced (they weren't even inspected). He said it was 'standard practice' at the Dealership he worked at, to replace these items when petrol was put into a high-pressure diesel model. He suspects injector/fuel-rail damage, despite the small mileage that was covered with the contaminated fuel.

I have spoken to the Mercedes garage that conducted the repairs and questioned the injector/fuel-rail matter and was told that petrol would not harm these components at all.

I have read a few other threads on this topic (each with different fuel/diesel proportions) and there seems to be divided opinions about the potential for damage to components.

Would anyone care to comment on these points and, in particular, if it is considered likely that the current symptoms are related (caused by) the fuel error?
 
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No thoughts from anyone? That's rather disappointing.
 

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No thoughts from anyone? That's rather disappointing.

Hello

I think this subject has been beaten to death on other threads. Have you tried a search?

Sorry that you haven't had much response - there are some VERY qualified/experienced 'tekkies' people on here (not me - I just drive the things!).
 
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Thanks for the reply. The reason I raised the thread is that all the other threads I found involved much weaker petrol/diesel corrupted fuel mixes and I could find none where any 'after symptoms' were mentioned.

Consequently, I really needed to try to canvass some opinions, to give me some basis for challenging the work done on my car, especially as previous respondents in other threads seem divided in their views on those particular mishaps.

Anyway, thanks again, I will try to battle it out on my own.
 

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If a smell of diesel is entering the cabin, then you have a leak.

somewhere......
 

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The only time the injectors will be damaged will be if the pump has started to break up sending filings to the injectors. No filings, no need for replacement.
 
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BlackC55 - thanks for the reply. The garage confirmed to me that they didn't inspect the injectors and I wonder if they would have stripped the pump to inspect it. How would it be determined if any filings were being created?

Does it not seem rather coincidental that all these symptoms are now present (probably within 1,000 miles of the incident), yet none were previously and what might their cause be?
 

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Interesting that these complaints are coming to light later in life, and not from new as no road test mentions such things
 
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Not quite sure what you're saying there Malcolm?
 

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My only experience is that damage is not caused in the majority of cases, even with higher mix ratios than yours. The filings theory would seem to make some sense and presumably the pump had suffered some damage else why would it be replaced? So, either the pump was fine and didn't need replacing, or it suffered damage and could have contaminated the fuel rail and injectors with metal filings which are now happily scoring the piston bores. They can't have it both ways.
To be fair, there are other possibilities, including an unrelated fault (MAS etc) or a leak. The latter is extremely dangerous if it's getting anywhere near brakes or tyres so should be checked immediately.
 
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jberks

thanks for that input, a good point but no doubt they'll have a smart answer for it!

The fumes situation is worrying. I left the car ticking over and raised the bonnet - there is a loud popping noise and blue smoke coming out of the air filter casing!

I also noticed that, since going to the garage, one of the rocker cover bolts is completely loose and another missing, also one of the injector cover bolts is missing - makes me wonder what else they've done (or not done!)?
 

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The fumes situation is worrying. I left the car ticking over and raised the bonnet - there is a loud popping noise and blue smoke coming out of the air filter casing!
I don't know. Have several theories but really don't know.
I'd ring the garage and tell them to come and get it and sort it out. It was fine before they messed with it and it's not right now. Hopefully the popping and smoke are just breather related but i wouldn't drive it until I knew for sure.
 

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