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W211 E280 CDi - Turbo Failure

Discussion in 'Engine, Drivetrain, Fuel and Exhaust' started by steve-scrooge2012, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. steve-scrooge2012

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    Hi, this is my first post. I have an E280 CDi (2007) which has a stuttering fault when pulling away. I took it to Merc in Croydon who have diagnosed turbo failure due to a cracked manifold. They say it will cost £2600 to repair. Surely a Merc, 5 yrs old with 80k mile should not have such a failure.... would welcome comments. I have written to Merc UK about this! Thanks
     
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    They do this occassionally. IMHO its a very poor engine not up to the standards for Mercedes reliability.
     
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    turbo failure due to manifold ?

    Did bits of the manifold go into the turbo ?

    Not sure what their diagnosis means ? Did they even check the compressor spindle for runout / end float ?, is the VNT annular ring not working ?

    Sounds like a generic diagnosis, whereby, YOUR money is thrown at the issue.

    I'd ask for / to speak to the person who actually looked at the car, as £2.6k is a lot for a turbo !


    Even the roller bearing GT30 on my other car, brand new cost a LOT less than that ! Even fitting is easy !

    HTH :)

    Belated Merry Xmas
     
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    What miles is on the engine , has it a full m.b service history.
     
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    If it needs a new turbo and manifold which isn't unheard of, £2600 is about right. Manifolds are £1100 and a turbo the same approx, plus all the labour to fit
     
  6. Steve@Avantgarde

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    Sadly this fault is increasing. I have done 3 now. Very small fragments of manifold are sucked into the turbo jamming the vanes. Fault codes normally refer to exhaust back pressure sensor and turbo actuator jammed.
     
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    Hi, thanks for the prompt responses - did not expect so many comments on Boxing Day!

    The car has done 86k miles.

    Full Merc service history.

    I have done some research online, apparently the exhaust manifold/pipe is twin walled or lined, and the internal lining fails, allow bits to shred the turbo.

    Have not a chance to speak with the technician - but as I mentioned, I have written to Merc UK as it seems to me that this manifold/pipe is not fit for purpose and should never result in major component failure costing ME £2.6k.

    Would like to see if I can get firm evidence of repeated failures of this type.

    What is annoying is I took the car in for a safety recall (self levellling suspension) and said that the car was prone to surging when cold ....... heading from London to Cornwall on 29th Dec for a week..... hope it gets us there and back!!

    Cheers for the prompt feedback.
     
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    Sorry to hear this tale and you're right it shouldn't happen to a five year old car on 86K.

    It will be interesting to hear what MB have to say. My opinion is that they should meet a substantial amount of the cost as the car is FMSH, hopefully reducing the bill by half, I'd expect that as i don't think that that particular manifold was fit for purpose.

    Hope you get a reasonable response from MB and problem sorted asap.
     
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    IMHO it's nonesense to replace the turbo with a new one. If the diagnosis is indeed correct, these guys - http://www.aet-turbos.co.uk/ - can refurb the existing for a few hundred £s. They did an excellent job on my d-in-law's W210. I removed and refitted - not a huge job, and would be much easier for an indie with professional facilities. As for the manifold; whatever material it is can it not be welded? £2600 is designed to augment the concessionnaires bottom line, not fix your car.

    I realise you're the wrong end of the country for AET, but similar firms will exist nearby.
     
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    Agree fully with these miles and mb service then in this case they should admit the item was not fit for purpose If we're you I would not give in and take matters further if need be . I wish you good luck and hope mb sort this for you.
    Please keep us updated .
     
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    Thanks for coming back to me. I have had a response from MB UK via their Dutch office - they have opened a case file. I will gladly keep everyone updated as I do feel that a MBFSH and only 5 yrs old, does not seem right. Thanks
     
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    What you have written is not true.

    The turbo on the 613 engined W210 is completely different to the variable vaned, teflon coated electronic actuated turbo in the 642 engined W211. Whilst the vanes maybe replaced and possibly the actuator repaired (although I have not seen one be repaired yet) if the teflon coating is scared by the hot pieces of manifold then the turbo is written off.

    Sadly there is no way to weld the manifolds that will guarantee a solid repair. As much as we like to try and repair most things to find the cheaper option in this case replacement parts is the only way forward to be sure of a complete fix.
     
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    If this is so I bow to your professional knowledge. I nevertheless suspect there are still turbo specialists who can provide a cheaper but equally good alternative (from an engineering point of view) solutions to a MB dealer new replacement.
     
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    There is a TIPs case for this (internal technical information process) which MB produce when they get a common failing, in this instance your fault. They cannot shy from the fact this is a manufacturing defect with a consequential failure of the turbo.

    I am in Scotland at the moment but when I am back I will dig out the case number for you.
     
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    Hi Steve@Avantgarde
    Your technical feedback most appreciated and any TIPs case details would be most helpful.
    I am cancelling the repair until MBUK come back to me on whether there is a precedent set for completing the repair FOC or at reduced cost. My warranty (with Warranty Direct) will cover the turbo, bot not the 2 manifolds - which is almost 1/2 the overall cost. As you can guess, I would rather that MB pick up the bill!
    Cheers and enjoy Scotland!
    Also, thanks to all comments posted, very reassuring that so many experts and knowledgeable people are on line at this time of year!
    Cheers and Happy New Year to one and all.
     
  16. andy@pcd-ltd

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    If mercedes wont cover the cost. Why dont you take it to on indi and get them to claim on your extended warranty so that way the labour will be less as there hour rate is a lot less and you will only have to pay formthe manifolds.
     
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    Hi Steve
    You kindly responded to my E280 CDi turbo issue on/arounf Boxing Day and kindly indicated that a TIP was available for this fault/problem.
    I know the holiday season is now just about over, but wonder if you have been able to find the detailed info for me please?
    my car is due in for repair on Monday (tomorrow) but I plan to cancel the repair until I have a proper understanding of the issue and whether Merc intend assisting with the repair/replacement cost.
    Cheers and HNY to one and all.
     
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    Hi guys,

    just wondering what the outcome has been on the MB participation? I have found them to be less then helpful on standing up to their brand claim.

    Best of luck in any case!
     
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    I know this thread is really old... but I wondered what the outcome was? My E280 on occasion has the same problem of stuttering when pulling away and then it goes in to what they called 'limp mode'?
    I've changed the actuator and the other bits that work with that, and I've been told that if I replace the turbo it should resolve it.
    Nobody mentioned the manifold.
    It's a 2009 E280 CDI... did anyone find out if Merc would assist?
     
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    Hi , I pretty much have the same car , and it now sounds like you are in the throwing money at the car based on what someone has suggested (they may well be right ) but it would be worth the car going on to the MB Star computer system at a good MB Indy . Where do you live ?
     

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