Anyone want a Hilary or Donald 3

[Frontstep]

And from the Swedish press:
http://www.thelocal.se/20170112/swedens-2016-crime-stats-analyzed

And the BBC take:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372

Yes just read the Swedish press, one I figure the writer was desperately looking to deny the obvious so he came up with this;

"n 2016 for instance there was a lot of discussion about sexual assault and the relation between sexual assault and immigration. We know through research that those kind of years with more discussion of those subjects see the number of crimes reported increase"


Insulting and patronising nonsense, you are another victim because we discussed it more.

Taking this barmy logic on board if we bury our heads in the sand and sing la la la the numbers will fall.

We tried that approach with the likes of Savill and Harris.

Trump the purgative is certainly needed.

 

[LostKiwi]

That's not what they're saying. What they are saying is that because it's discussed more people who have been assaulted will be more likely to come forward.
You see it all the time in kiddy fiddling cases where one person comes forward and suddenly there's a dozen of them even though they all were victimised 20 years ago.

 

[Frontstep]

That isn't the case at all these reports are not of historical attacks where the victim is emboldened by others coming forward.

The Swedish Police officers reports are far more compelling if they were wrong then it would have been simple to unravel his story.

30.9% of Swedish Prisoners by number are foreign nationals Germany is at 27.1% ours is bad enough at 11.9%.

http://www.prisonstudies.org/country/sweden

It is time to address the elephant in the room.

Immigration is positively good when controlled but bad when not.

Trumps often derided comments about Mexico and its criminals effects is repeated in Europe and we need to address it before we get a Purgative leader here.

 

[Craiglxviii]

There are similar police blogs coming out of the US now. One in particular, a senior detective (might even be detective-captain) in Chicago is eye-opening. Especially considering the political bent of Chicago.

The elephant in the room being, of course, that the governments, from local to national certainly in Europe are heavily downplaying the percentage of crime carried out by refugees/ illegal immigrants, take your pick, from a predictable part of the globe. The crimes are also predictable too, they follow the same pattern in the main. Rape & assault.

 

[Frontstep]

People leave their home environments with its social pressures to behave and then some act badly.

Take your average British Yoof, little treasure at home two weeks drinking in Magaluf and it all falls apart.

Your average migrant criminal leaves for richer pickings abroad, do you pick pocket in Oxford Street where no one knows you or stay in Romania where you are well known and pickings are lean ?

Strict Muslim communities where the sexes don't mix and relationships are monitored, then you leave and end up in a liberal country where none of these restrictions apply and women are barely dressed by some standards .......

Come from a society and a religion which treats women as second class citizens, other religions as lower orders and both to be dominated.

If you come here to join the UK there are few problems, if you come here determined to change your new home into your old one then understandably you upset the status quo.

The answer is controlled migration where people come to join in not invade and if they don't they can go back.

 

[Craiglxviii]

People leave their home environments with its social pressures to behave and then some act badly.

Take your average British Yoof, little treasure at home two weeks drinking in Magaluf and it all falls apart.

Your average migrant criminal leaves for richer pickings abroad, do you pick pocket in Oxford Street where no one knows you or stay in Romania where you are well known and pickings are lean ?

Strict Muslim communities where the sexes don't mix and relationships are monitored, then you leave and end up in a liberal country where none of these restrictions apply and women are barely dressed by some standards .......

Come from a society and a religion which treats women as second class citizens, other religions as lower orders and both to be dominated.

If you come here to join the UK there are few problems, if you come here determined to change your new home into your old one then understandably you upset the status quo.

The answer is controlled migration where people come to join in not invade and if they don't they can go back.

Just one point to take with that, and it's the first para. "People leave their home environments with societal pressure to behave..." should add ..."in a certain way".

The issue is where those certain ways are not acceptable to the new home society. And the home society is too polite to say anything about it; and the original society is blind to the possibility of other societies having different values, or caring that they do.

 

[LostKiwi]

30.9% of Swedish Prisoners by number are foreign nationals Germany is at 27.1% ours is bad enough at 11.9%.

http://www.prisonstudies.org/country/sweden

13.5% of the population of the UK are foreign nationals.
11.9% of the prison population are foreign nationals.

Seems to me the foreigners are better behaved than the locals!!!

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/

 

[Craiglxviii]

13.5% of the population of the UK are foreign nationals.
11.9% of the prison population are foreign nationals.

Seems to me the foreigners are better behaved than the locals!!!

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/

Or we're better at prosecuting locals and successfully dishing out custodial sentences?

 

[LostKiwi]

Or we're better at prosecuting locals and successfully dishing out custodial sentences?

Irrespective, its not the headline it was made out to be.
And we all know the police have been shown to be not exactly impartial from time to time...(and not in favour of non-brits).

Sweden has a similarly high proportion of foreign nationals (some figures suggest 27% some 15% - hard to find a consistent figure) but again the headline 30% mentioned is not the huge headline its made out to be.

Germany similar again.

 

[prwales]

this the true face of the alternative right who have helped foist Trump onto the USA, it's not people from the rust belt

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ild-sex-video-footage-alt-right-a7591281.html

 

[Frontstep]

Irrespective, its not the headline it was made out to be.
And we all know the police have been shown to be not exactly impartial from time to time...(and not in favour of non-brits).

Sweden has a similarly high proportion of foreign nationals (some figures suggest 27% some 15% - hard to find a consistent figure) but again the headline 30% mentioned is not the huge headline its made out to be.

Germany similar again.

Trying to spin away the problem is at the heart of the discontent that sweeps the world and allows divisive figures like Trump, Le Pen,Wilders etc to prosper.

Americas border with Mexico has a lot of problems persistently trying to deny it has helped no one except Trump to be elected.

Sweden has problems with its migrants populations as do many other countries including the UK.

Britain is leaving what could have been a good EU mainly because obvious problems were not addressed.

We have now reached a stage with migrant fatigue where genuine refugees are lumped in with economic migrants coming for their black friday "Asda Television "

 

[LostKiwi]

Trying to spin away the problem is at the heart of the discontent that sweeps the world and allows divisive figures like Trump, Le Pen,Wilders etc to prosper.

Americas border with Mexico has a lot of problems persistently trying to deny it has helped no one except Trump to be elected.

Sweden has problems with its migrants populations as do many other countries including the UK.

Britain is leaving what could have been a good EU mainly because obvious problems were not addressed.

We have now reached a stage with migrant fatigue where genuine refugees are lumped in with economic migrants coming for their black friday "Asda Television "

13.5% immigrant population but only 11.9% immigrant prison population.
Please try and explain the problem in that?

I'm genuinely intrigued.

 

[gizze]

13.5% immigrant population but only 11.9% immigrant prison population.
Please try and explain the problem in that?

I'm genuinely intrigued.

Automatic deportation.


Automatic deportation

The need to make a recommendation for deportation should now be rare. This is because of automatic deportation. (See R v Kluxen 2010 EWCA Crim 1081)

The Sec of State must make a deportation order in respect of a foreign criminal. A foreign criminal is someone who:

a) is not a British citizen

b) is convicted of an offence in the UK

c) receives a sentence of 12 months or more, UKBA 2007 s.32


So those criminals that are sentenced for longer than 12 month get deported.

 

[LostKiwi]

Automatic deportation.


Automatic deportation

The need to make a recommendation for deportation should now be rare. This is because of automatic deportation. (See R v Kluxen 2010 EWCA Crim 1081)

The Sec of State must make a deportation order in respect of a foreign criminal. A foreign criminal is someone who:

a) is not a British citizen

b) is convicted of an offence in the UK

c) receives a sentence of 12 months or more, UKBA 2007 s.32


So those criminals that are sentenced for longer than 12 month get deported.

Only valid for Non-EU criminals. Under an ECJ ruling we cannot deport EU nationals if their human rights would be compromised by doing so.
We can only deport those non EU citizens we already 'control' the immigration of....

 

[gizze]

Only valid for Non-EU criminals.

And?

Under an ECJ ruling we cannot deport EU nationals if their human rights would be compromised by doing so.

We can only deport those non EU citizens we already 'control' the immigration of....

Again.......so?

Why would their human rights be compromised by deporting them?


On the second point, it is hard to find and arrest someone who doesn't exist here, and I know this is a serious issue in London as a really good mate worked on the division who dealt with this. It was a big problem.


I'm not saying what I said is right or wrong, just saying that may be something to do with it.

 

[Craiglxviii]

And?



Again.......so?

Why would their human rights be compromised by deporting them?


On the second point, it is hard to find and arrest someone who doesn't exist here, and I know this is a serious issue in London as a really good mate worked on the division who dealt with this. It was a big problem.


I'm not saying what I said is right or wrong, just saying that may be something to do with it.

That is expressly one of the major issues that the Swedish senior detective mentioned in his blog. I can't see that it is an issue unique to Sweden.

 

[LostKiwi]

And?


Why would their human rights be compromised by deporting them?

The judgement stated (amongst other things)
"But in his legal advice which gives a strong guide as to the verdict, the advocate general, Maciej Szpunar, declared the British blanket deportation rule is “in principle” a violation of EU laws if it would “deprive the child who is a citizen of the Union of genuine enjoyment of the substance of his or her rights.”

That to me is the obvious one and the one that started the whole debate off. In the original case which went to the ECJ a Moroccan woman with a son by a British father was convicted of a crime and sentenced to 12 months in jail and on release handed a deportation order. This was overturned by the ECJ ruling. So not only is it a case of not deporting EU citizens its anyone with a child born here (hence a British Citizen) as to do so deprives the child of their right to grow up in the EU. Quite complex and thorny really.

The reason I mentioned it was in response to your implication the immigrant jail figures were low due to the biggest offenders being deported. As it happens it makes a very slight difference when the deportation figures are taken into account - pretty much just evens it up.


Regarding finding someone who doesn't exist the only people who would be invisible to the system are illegal immigrants surely? Every one else comes with passports that tag them entering and leaving the country hence are entered onto the system. Of course the system may not be correctly updated but thats a different issue and one unrelated to nationality. At any one point in time I would pretty much guarantee there are a significant number of British people who are as difficult to track as the immigrants having moved, changed names they use, etc without informing the state or being recorded.

The only reason this has come is the original implication from earlier in the thread that the number of foreign nationals in prison was disproportionately high when it doesn't actually appear to be the case. It does suggest stereotyping is at play in the minds of some.

 

[Frontstep]

We have 13,000 foreign prisoners awaiting deportation in the minds of the Home Office

6,000 of them are allowed to live in the community according to bigoted Home Office Official statistics.

Top three EU Polish Irish and Romanian.

Still the "Home Affairs Select Committee said that "clear inefficiencies" in the process of sending foreign national offenders (FNOs) back to fellow EU member states would lead people to "question the point of the UK remaining a member of the EU".


No every thing is fine, and if it wasn't for people like me pointing at the herd of elephants in the room clearly we wouldn't have a problem


No wonder America voted for the purgative, some of them must have taken their heads out of the sand and found the polling stations

 

[M80]

No wonder America voted for the purgative, some of them must have taken their heads out of the sand and found the polling stations

I have a problem taking the intelligence any country seriously that has such a desire for everyone to have right to own military hardware.

I'm not sure it's worse that those in favour will decry those that wrongly state that these weapons can fire 700 rounds a minute when they can actually 'only' deliver 180, effectively.

It's a country of nutters, and recently they have demonstrated that very well.

 

[LostKiwi]

We have 13,000 foreign prisoners awaiting deportation in the minds of the Home Office

6,000 of them are allowed to live in the community according to bigoted Home Office Official statistics.

Top three EU Polish Irish and Romanian.

Still the "Home Affairs Select Committee said that "clear inefficiencies" in the process of sending foreign national offenders (FNOs) back to fellow EU member states would lead people to "question the point of the UK remaining a member of the EU".


No every thing is fine, and if it wasn't for people like me pointing at the herd of elephants in the room clearly we wouldn't have a problem


No wonder America voted for the purgative, some of them must have taken their heads out of the sand and found the polling stations

Link?

Interesting use of the word "Bigoted"...
Pots and kettles spring to mind.