Brexit

[Frontstep]

The money paid out for salaries is partly ours, we own nearly a quarter via the UKFI

 

[bembo449]

i truly hope we do leave , i feel weve lost our national identity and our right to be English

 

[drmw]

i truly hope we do leave , i feel weve lost our national identity and our right to be English

British?

 

[bembo449]

British?

no sir , i was born in England not wales , ireland or scotland

 

[PovertySpec]

no sir , i was born in England not wales , ireland or scotland

Proud to be Welsh? Fine! Proud Scot? OK! Proud to be Irish? Great!

Express any 'pride' to be English?

Probably racist, definitely nationalist, ought to be ashamed

 

[bembo449]

Proud to be Welsh? Fine! Proud Scot? OK! Proud to be Irish? Great!

Express any 'pride' to be English?

Probably racist, definitely nationalist, ought to be ashamed

whats racist ? being English ??

 

[PovertySpec]

whats racist ? being English ??

By definition

 

[SL63 Mark]

The English are not a race, more a collection of immigrants who've arrived over the last 10 thousand years or so. Celts, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Norsemen, Angles* (from Holland), Norman French, Irish, the list goes on and on. There's even a smattering of Italians if you include the Romans. Plus of course all those who've arrived in more recent times from around the globe. We are a cosmopolitan nation and proud of it.

 

[turbopete]

The English are not a race, more a collection of immigrants who've arrived over the last 10 thousand years or so. Celts, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Norsemen, Angles* (from Holland), Norman French, Irish, the list goes on and on. There's even a smattering of Italians if you include the Romans. Plus of course all those who've arrived in more recent times from around the globe. We are a cosmopolitan nation and proud of it.

i think the point being made is that there is no such country as Britain. Wales is a country, Scotland is a country, Ireland is a country therefore England is a country. Britain is just the collective name for them.

and it bugs the hell out of me too when people from Ireland can be Irish, people from Scotland can be Scottish, people from Wales can be welsh but people from England cant be english, they have to be british.

so by that same theory, would that make someone from Mexico American? its PART of south America so it must make them American if people from England are British!

 

[prwales]

i think the point being made is that there is no such country as Britain. Wales is a country, Scotland is a country, Ireland is a country therefore England is a country. Britain is just the collective name for them.

and it bugs the hell out of me too when people from Ireland can be Irish, people from Scotland can be Scottish, people from Wales can be welsh but people from England cant be english, they have to be british.

so by that same theory, would that make someone from Mexico American? its PART of south America so it must make them American if people from England are British!

the Romans named our biggest island Britain and its inhabitants Britons, the concept of England is relatively recent, as is that of Wales, people in Wales called themselves the Cymry, mean us ourselves. Cymraeg speaking people lived throughout the Island of Britain, fairly independently in what is now Wales, for a while in Strathclyde but also throughout what was to become England almost everywhere in places where there is a Wal prefix to a place name.
I take the view that our English language now ubiquitous throughout the world is not down to invasion by Germanic savages but down to the Roman legions and the areas they settled and developed into colonies. By far the bulk of Romes troops stationed came from the low countries, this is a matter of historical record, after 25 years service they were given a plot of land near to their legionary headquarters. In the course of their service they will most likely have had relationships and children with local women, and as they were the only ones with cash money trade developed around servicing their needs. English is the language of trade, this is my friends how English started. Not a race in any sense of the term just a language

 

[C350Carl]

As has been pointed out

Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland AND England are all classified as a Country.

Ergo English is a collective term for those who's origin of birth is England.

Regardless of history and if you go back far enough most countries could probably trace back 'immigrants' settling there.

Easy way to define it is they all have a capital city.

 

[Herr Rosa Teddy Baer]

the Romans named our biggest island Britain and its inhabitants Britons, the concept of England is relatively recent, as is that of Wales, people in Wales called themselves the Cymry, mean us ourselves. Cymraeg speaking people lived throughout the Island of Britain, fairly independently in what is now Wales, for a while in Strathclyde but also throughout what was to become England almost everywhere in places where there is a Wal prefix to a place name.
I take the view that our English language now ubiquitous throughout the world is not down to invasion by Germanic savages but down to the Roman legions and the areas they settled and developed into colonies. By far the bulk of Romes troops stationed came from the low countries, this is a matter of historical record, after 25 years service they were given a plot of land near to their legionary headquarters. In the course of their service they will most likely have had relationships and children with local women, and as they were the only ones with cash money trade developed around servicing their needs. English is the language of trade, this is my friends how English started. Not a race in any sense of the term just a language

Does the term Englander, therefore meet with your approval?

John

 

[PovertySpec]

The English are not a race

By your own definition you're a racist

Does the term Englander, therefore meet with your approval?

Only in the diminutive

Not a race in any sense of the term just a language

Diolch .. Take down your flag, hand back your nationhood.

 

[prwales]

English nationhood is more than a bit phoney, a French Aristocracy, a German Monarchy, and a Dutch language who's words are mainly French.
The term Anglo Saxon was invented in the 19th Century and embellished by Winston S Churchill in his magnificent but fraudulent History of the English speaking peoples :-D

 

[PovertySpec]

EnglishnationhoodidmorethanabitphoneyaFrenchAristocracyaGermanMonarchyandaDutchlanguagewho'swordsaremainlyFrenchThetermAngloSaxonwasinventedinthe19thCenturyandembellishedbyWinstonSChurchillinhismagnificentbutfraudulentHistoryoftheEnglishspeakingpeoplellantysiliogogogochynygofod

OK, I'm persuaded

 

[turbopete]

OK, I'm persuaded

isnt that a train station somewhere in wales?

 

[C350Carl]

isnt that a train station somewhere in wales?

No. That just says Platform 1.

 

[SL63 Mark]

By your own definition you're a racist

No, I just don't think that being "English" is the most important thing in the world, as some on here appear to. For goodness sake stop worrying about the "foreigners". Our ancestors were all foreigners, once. That's my point.

 

[Naraic]

i think the point being made is that there is no such country as Britain. Wales is a country, Scotland is a country, Ireland is a country therefore England is a country. Britain is just the collective name for them.

and it bugs the hell out of me too when people from Ireland can be Irish, people from Scotland can be Scottish, people from Wales can be welsh but people from England cant be english, they have to be british.

so by that same theory, would that make someone from Mexico American? its PART of south America so it must make them American if people from England are British!

Pete, England Scotland and Wales make up Great Britain...Northern Ireland is not included, except in the UK.

Irish people are Irish if they live in ROI which is in no way part of the UK ...try telling many people in Northern Ireland that they are Irish and you'll get a swift lesson in the politics and make up of this place.

Just saying...so many people on your side of the sea know so little about this side of the sea.

Mexicans are North American,just as Canadian people and US people are North American.

 

[Frontstep]

Camerons old boss the Prince of Darkness himself Michael Howard has joined the exit camp ;

"Howard says David Cameron’s renegotiation ‘met with failure’ and voting to leave is only way to ‘shake leaders out of complacency’"


“There would be a significant chance that they would ask us to think again. When Ireland and Denmark voted to reject EU proposals, the EU offered them more concessions and, second time round, got the result they wanted,”


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/26/former-tory-leader-michael-howard-call-uk-leave-eu

Hmmm .................