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Im looking to buy an e class and just wanted to get a bit of feed back from owners, cant decide between 270cdi or 220cdi any advise welcome
 

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Hi, I have a facelifted E220 cdi (these were 06 0nwards)., great car. 170bhp, economical smooth and quick enough for me. The preface lift E220 were 150 bhp so I would go 270 if going pre facelift. Never driven a 270 but they seem quite well thought of on here.
I'm sure some 270 owners will voice their opinions on that model.
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I've owned both. The 270 is a fine engine, lots of grunt and excellent fuel economy. What Car and others reckoned it was the best buy.

The 220cdi after the facelift gives almost the same performance as the 270cdi. It is a terrific engine IMO. Very responsive and economical too. And being lighter helps the performance of course.

If buying pre facelift I think I'd choose the 270. Post facelift in 2006 the 220cdi got the extra hp and is fine for normal use.

Cars built in 2003 onwards are fully galvanised (check build date not just first registration. Later you go, the more reliable they seem to get.
 

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Im looking to buy an e class and just wanted to get a bit of feed back from owners, cant decide between 270cdi or 220cdi any advise welcome

If your based in Ireland the Co2 tax is very heavy, and this would sway my decision towards the 220cdi.

The prefacelifted car (like mine) is 150bhp and moves along amply, but the 270cdi is a bit quicker and looking at the threads on here not a whole lot less economical. However I doubt an E270cdi will see north of 50mpg, but in my car this is easy if you are gentle. Noise wise the 270cdi is the more pleasing car.

If your budget can stretch to a facelifted 2006-2008/9 E class then the 220cdi is the only option, unless you want to down the V6 route.

Buy the car from an MB dealer and make sure it has a good service history (which it should) and go for as new a car as you can get. There were revisions and improvements throughout that cars life that mean the newer ones are better. 2004 and ideally 2005 onwards are excellent reliable cars.
 

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I'd recommend an E300D, (ie post '93) these had the om606 multivalve engines which are very very reliable.

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I'd recommend an E300D, (ie post '93) these had the om606 multivalve engines which are very very reliable.

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Think he is looking for something newer, guessing your budget i would go for the E270.
 
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Great stuff lads, it looks like a 270 havent got the bobs to get up to 06 face lift 220.
A bit more power will make up for the bit more derv used, correct me if im wrong but is the 270 a 5 cylinder as opposed to a 4 with the 220.
Also was there a problem with some part in the braking system that just gives up with no notice and leaves you stranded ????
 

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Great stuff lads, it looks like a 270 havent got the bobs to get up to 06 face lift 220.
A bit more power will make up for the bit more derv used, correct me if im wrong but is the 270 a 5 cylinder as opposed to a 4 with the 220.
Also was there a problem with some part in the braking system that just gives up with no notice and leaves you stranded ????

Yes, 270cdi is an 5 clyinder engine, the 220cdi a 4 pot.

Test drive both cars before making your mind up, but you'll probably in all liklihood end up purchasing the 270cdi. However if the choice came between a 2005 E220cdi or a 2003 270cdi I'd pick the newer car every time. Make sure the car comes from a dealer, they tend to keep the good ones and punt the duff ones out into the trade. A dealer service history or at least a reputable indie/MB specialist stamped book are things you should look out for too.

The braking system is reliable and terrific and a unique thing to the facelifted E class.
 

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Yes, 270cdi is an 5 clyinder engine, the 220cdi a 4 pot.

Test drive both cars before making your mind up, but you'll probably in all liklihood end up purchasing the 270cdi. However if the choice came between a 2005 E220cdi or a 2003 270cdi I'd pick the newer car every time. Make sure the car comes from a dealer, they tend to keep the good ones and punt the duff ones out into the trade. A dealer service history or at least a reputable indie/MB specialist stamped book are things you should look out for too.

The braking system is reliable and terrific and a unique thing to the facelifted E class.

i think the OP could be worried about the SBC system on the earlier 211's
 

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What sort of budget you looking at A-Gally. Then members can suggest some possible buys.
 

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i think the OP could be worried about the SBC system on the earlier 211's

SBC has never had a single failure. The pumps need replaced every 300,000 (or is it 500,000 brake applications) equating to approx 120k miles or 200k miles. Its not cheap but not the dearest thing to go wrong.

We've talked about pre facelifted E classes and not talked about valeo radiators. These are bad things that can leak coolant into the automatic gearbox meaning a replacement is needed. Sometimes MB good will pays out, sometimes it doesn't but as these cars are getting older good will is a diminishing thing. If the car has a valeo rad, get a glycol test done on the autobox, then pay £120 or so for a behr rad. By 2004 onwards (or is it 2005?) valeo rads were no longer used.
 

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SBC has never had a single failure. The pumps need replaced every 300,000 (or is it 500,000 brake applications) equating to approx 120k miles or 200k miles. Its not cheap but not the dearest thing to go wrong.

We've talked about pre facelifted E classes and not talked about valeo radiators. These are bad things that can leak coolant into the automatic gearbox meaning a replacement is needed. Sometimes MB good will pays out, sometimes it doesn't but as these cars are getting older good will is a diminishing thing. If the car has a valeo rad, get a glycol test done on the autobox, then pay £120 or so for a behr rad. By 2004 onwards (or is it 2005?) valeo rads were no longer used.

May 2004: 35,000 UK car recall of cars built from March 2002 over fault with electronic SBC brakes which can fail without warning and revert to the hydraulic front brakes back-up.

So that problem corrected on all cars that responded to the recall. Dealer can check for you.

Valeo radiator issue only on some cars built up to 2003. Check build date not just date of first registration.

Buy from an MB dealer and you get full 12 month Approved Used warranty.

Useful approved used search engine on the MB website.
 

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Hawk, check the OPs location. Ireland, I don't have a clue what used car prices are like over there, and the extent of Franchised dealers, or whether they'd be better buying a car in the UK and importing it.
 

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Hawk, check the OPs location. Ireland, I don't have a clue what used car prices are like over there, and the extent of Franchised dealers, or whether they'd be better buying a car in the UK and importing it.

Sorry missed that. I don't know either.
 
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Quite correct st4 i am in ireland and if i was to tell you the price of motors over here you would fill your pants (have a look at www.carzone.ie) but the only thing is the car trade here is dead at the moment with dealers (bmw, lexus, etc) closing the doors due to sales being down up to 68%, the situation quite simply is nobody has any money the banks are not giving out motor finance so if a guy has a few quid he can now buy alot of car for little dough.
In the past i have always gone to the uk for my cars and paid a dick turpin tax to register them here, have a look at v.r.t. Calculator this tells you how much you have to pay the pack of gob****es running this country for the pleasure of driving on our tractor paths.
Any way thats my rant over for the day, its a bit of a toss up at the moment to see where the best value is, im looking at paying €16000 for a 05 e 270 cdi here with a good spec and history, i know i can get much cheaper in the uk (and a better car) but by the time i pay the import tax (vrt) to the gob****es and convert the money theres not to much in the difference.
Any words of wisdom would be very welcome
by the way many thanks to one and all for the previous advise given on this particular thread
 

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May 2004: 35,000 UK car recall of cars built from March 2002 over fault with electronic SBC brakes which can fail without warning and revert to the hydraulic front brakes back-up.

So that problem corrected on all cars that responded to the recall. Dealer can check for you.
Approved Used warranty.

That is not fair to say this was a fault it was not,Bosch and MB decided that the pump should run longer, and that was it, the timing only was changed,,most hated this change as you never heard the thing before.

Please call it an update, not a fault
 

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That is not fair to say this was a fault it was not,Bosch and MB decided that the pump should run longer, and that was it, the timing only was changed,,most hated this change as you never heard the thing before.

Please call it an update, not a fault

It was a recall. The exact wording comes from Honest John not from me.
 

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Yes a re call but not a fault,

I don't want to split hairs, but recalls are not done for minor things are they?
And would you not call it a fault to have "brakes which can fail without warning and revert to the hydraulic front brakes back-up".

Why would they recall if no fault to correct?
 

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Why would they recall if no fault to correct?

A good manufacture will issue a recall if they discover a 'potential' fault in order to preempt warranty failures. If it is at all safety related then it would be a priority to issue a recall even if customers had not experienced a total or even partial failure.

Bosch did that as far back as the early 70's as they had a program of continuous component testing, partly to determine failure costs and total life cycles but perhaps the most important was to facilitate product development

By way of an example from the 60's Rootes Group had a full recall on the Hillman Imp even though it was still under wraps in the show rooms and stocks on airfields etc awaiting launch to replace the radiator and fan shroud not because of any had failed but because as a result of a design and subsequent manufacturing problem discoverd after manufacture.
 
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