Old C320cdi vs Jag XFdS vs BMW335d vs E350cdi Coupe

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It will be interesting, the 350CDI should feel very similar to you r 320CDI as the performance is the same. It will depend on the specification as to how the ride is in comparison because if it comes on 18" wheels and sports suspension I expect you will find it more BM like than you C.
 

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It will be interesting, the 350CDI should feel very similar to you r 320CDI as the performance is the same. It will depend on the specification as to how the ride is in comparison because if it comes on 18" wheels and sports suspension I expect you will find it more BM like than you C.

Is not the new 250CDI the one with comparable performance to the old 320CDI? (204 bhp, 500 NMs).

Figures from the MB UK website.

E 250 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY[2], Engine Capacity (cc) 2,143
Arrangement / cylinders / valves Inline / 4 / 16 V
Power (hp at rpm) [5] 204 / 4,200
Torque (Nm at rpm) [6] 500 / 1,600 - 1,800
 
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the E Coupe has an optional dynamic handling package too at £480. I guess but don't know at this stage if that will be included on the test car.

Current C is on 17's and sport suspension (Jag was on 20's....)

E350CDI = 231 @ 3,800, 540 @ 1,600-2,400 V6 Engine
E250CDI UK = not on Merc site yet
E250CDI DE = 204 @ 4.200 500 @ 1.600–1.800 R4 Engine
C320CDI = 224 @ ? & 510 @ ? V6 Engine

Interesting that the link below show C207 in the title ref the C platform v E platform discussion

http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content..._cars/models/e-class/c207/technical_data.html
 

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Is not the new 250CDI the one with comparable performance to the old 320CDI? (204 bhp, 500 NMs).

Figures from the MB UK website.

E 250 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY[2], Engine Capacity (cc) 2,143
Arrangement / cylinders / valves Inline / 4 / 16 V
Power (hp at rpm) [5] 204 / 4,200
Torque (Nm at rpm) [6] 500 / 1,600 - 1,800

But it won't be as refined as the V6 car so although the 250cdi IMHO does the performance economy comprimise better, refinement wise not so.

The OP will find the 335d BMW performance something else, its more powerful than the Jag XFs and in a significantly lighter car. However the C207 has more big car attributes than the E90 3 series but the E90 is a good quality car nonetheless. Powerwise a 330d would be more appropriate. Friend of a friend has a E90 330d and it throws you into the back of the seat big time.
 
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The OP?..... more powerful than the Jag XFs and in a significantly lighter car. However the C207 has more big car attributes than the E90 3 series but the E90 is a good quality car nonetheless. Powerwise a 330d would be more appropriate. Friend of a friend has a E90 330d and it throws you into the back of the seat big time.
hi st4. What is OP?

335d more powerful than XF? 330d = 286HP, XFd = 240PS, but XFdS (tested) = 275PS so the S close enough - but agree with the size comment

C207 big car attributes? agree. Personally hoping not as much as a "E207"

330d more appropriate? 330d < 320cdi < 335d imho (all of them powerful)
 

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hi st4. What is OP?

335d more powerful than XF? 330d = 286HP, XFd = 240PS, but XFdS (tested) = 275PS so the S close enough - but agree with the size comment

C207 big car attributes? agree. Personally hoping not as much as a "E207"

330d more appropriate? 330d < 320cdi < 335d imho (all of them powerful)

OP = original poster.

New 330d has 240bhp so more power than the 320cdi V6 and a lot less CO2 and more MPG. But BMW have had turbo problems with this engine and you never seen >200k milers on BMW forums.

The E class coupe is based on the C class (w204) and not really the E class (W212). It is however sized and priced above the E92 3 series coupe and as such will be a more refined and almost as agile car as the E92.

By all means try the jag, they don't float my boat and would always want a german made car. I'd add Audis A5 3.0TDi coupe into the mix.
 
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- OP doesn't stand for Old Pensioner then - phew :eek:)
- new 330d info interesting
- (notice I put 330d = 286HP instead of 335d above)
- have tried the Jag - see write up next week
- (my dad lives in germany and drives Jags, I live here and drive Mercs...)
- I would buy a Jag if it was good enough (XFdS engine good but in a smaller car please)
 

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Is not the new 250CDI the one with comparable performance to the old 320CDI? (204 bhp, 500 NMs).

Figures from the MB UK website.

E 250 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY[2], Engine Capacity (cc) 2,143
Arrangement / cylinders / valves Inline / 4 / 16 V
Power (hp at rpm) [5] 204 / 4,200
Torque (Nm at rpm) [6] 500 / 1,600 - 1,800
No, whilst the E350CDI has a higher HP and NM it only has the same 0-60 as the current e320CDI. The 250CDI is 20HP and 40NM down on the 320CDI, I don't have the 0-60 figure. The 250 is also missing a couple of cylinders ;)
 

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No, whilst the E350CDI has a higher HP and NM it only has the same 0-60 as the current e320CDI. The 250CDI is 20HP and 40NM down on the 320CDI, I don't have the 0-60 figure. The 250 is also missing a couple of cylinders ;)

I believe we both know what we are talking about - but we are talking about different iterations of the 320CDI. I mentioned the older version:
"Is not the new 250CDI the one with comparable performance to the old 320CDI? (204 bhp, 500 NMs)" - as would be found in my W220 of 2004, and possibly the OP's C Class ("Old C320cdi vs Jag XFdS vs BMW335d vs E350cdi Coupe") - as in the title of the thread.

I appreciate that the new engine has 4 cylinders, not 6, but the power outputs equal those of the old 320CDI, so performance can't be that shoddy (lighter engine, less frictional loss/inertia).
 

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I believe we both know what we are talking about - but we are talking about different iterations of the 320CDI. I mentioned the older version:
"Is not the new 250CDI the one with comparable performance to the old 320CDI? (204 bhp, 500 NMs)" - as would be found in my W220 of 2004, and possibly the OP's C Class ("Old C320cdi vs Jag XFdS vs BMW335d vs E350cdi Coupe") - as in the title of the thread.

I appreciate that the new engine has 4 cylinders, not 6, but the power outputs equal those of the old 320CDI, so performance can't be that shoddy (lighter engine, less frictional loss/inertia).
Hi Alex, Sorry I didn't realise you meant the IL6 E320CDI, yes that performance looks very similar to the new E250CDI, (still missing 2 cylinders though...). Blassberg's C320CDI is a V6 though so of the newer but still old now E320CDI IYKWIM. The IL6 E320CDI was only fitted to the E Class and S Class IIRC as it wouldn't fit in the C or the ML.
 
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Blassberg's C320CDI is a V6 though so of the newer but still old now E320CDI IYKWIM. The IL6 E320CDI was only fitted to the E Class and S Class IIRC as it wouldn't fit in the C or the ML.
Correct Blobcat. Sorry Alex, by old I meant W203 rather than W204.

C too short for IL6
C long enough to fit IL5 (270)
C wide enough to fit V6 (320)
ergo
C long enough and wide enough to fit v8 (420) OR V10!!!!!!!!!!
Q.E.D.
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Re the naming of the E350CDI Coupe, I'm guessing it beat off the following alternatives...?

CE300TD
CLK350CDI
C350CDI Coupe
ELK350CDI
 
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