P0011 and P0014

[Aldo ko92]

Hello
I have a 2014 Mercedes Benz ML350 4matic gasoline engine and today after changing the oil and oil filter and drove for like 25 minutes afterwards the CEL came on and it was saying P0011 ( A camshaft position timing over-advanced or system performance bank 1) and P0014 ( B camshaft position timing over-advanced or system performance bank 1)
Both codes were permanent. The car is not as fast as it was before, the acceleration is slower.
I have to mention thou that the filter that I used did not have the black plastic tower and the guy at a local store said that it shouldn’t be a problem.
After some quick research i saw that the black plastic tower serves as a sealer or something so I went to another store and I bought another filter with the plastic tower and the only difference is that both codes now are pending
Any thoughts
Thank you

 

[mattkh]

Did you check the engine oil level afterwards.

 

[mioba]

Pending codes turn into permanent codes when the same event happens in the next driving cycle.

 

[Aldo ko92]

Did you check the engine oil level afterwards.

yes I added about 0.5 quarts and changed the filter with the right one
As soon as I did that the codes from permanent became pending
The car still does not accelerate as fast as before

 

[Aldo ko92]

Pending codes turn into permanent codes when the same event happens in the next driving cycle.

Thanks for replying
Any idea what should I do?

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Change the filter to the MB correct one it may be collapsing without the central tower which I assume is the your reference to the central plastic cage that sits in the filter. The codes will need clearing.

There are some videos on this on Utube the sealed centre hole at the bottom of the cage is a pressure oil overflow only the filter you used without the tower has allowed oil pressure in the engine to drop hopefully you haven’t done any harm

 

[Aldo ko92]

Change the filter to a MB correct one it may be collapsing without the central tower which I assume is the your reference to the central plastic cage that sits in the filter

i did change the filter the the one with the plastic tower and as soon as I did that the codes became from permanent to PENDING....

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Hopefully with codes cleared, the right filter and a few miles covered the oil pressure will be back to normal

 

[Aldo ko92]

Hopefully with codes cleared, the right filter and a few miles covered the oil pressure will be back to normal

I hope so.
What about the acceleration? the car is not as fast as before... is it slower because the codes are still pending?
If the codes gets cleared should this issue be resolved as well??

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

It sounds as though the car is in limp mode ie, won’t rev past 3000rpm, keep using the car and hopefully oil level checked the correct oil pressure will allow the codes to be cleared. Do you have reader to clear the codes?

 

[Aldo ko92]

It sounds as though the car is in limp mode ie, won’t rev past 3000rpm, keep using the car and hopefully oil level checked the correct oil pressure will allow the codes to be cleared

Actually it can go all way to 5-6000 rpm but just takes a little longer if you know what I mean. I’ll keep driving it today and hopefully the codes gets cleared out

 

[onefortheroad]

Actually it can go all way to 5-6000 rpm but just takes a little longer if you know what I mean. I’ll keep driving it today and hopefully the codes gets cleared out

He meant a standing 3000 rpm i think. Not cruising . The codes won't simply disappear. Tbh i can't see any connection between an oil change and a cam shaft timing sensor unless you disturbed the wiring for it.

 

[Aldo ko92]

Hello, I probably did, because when I changed the filter was a mess of oil around the engine so I washed it afterwards, not a pressure washer thou just with some degreaser and water

 

[onefortheroad]

Hello, I probably did, because when I changed the filter was a mess of oil around the engine so I washed it afterwards, not a pressure washer thou just with some degreaser and water

Tut tut . Theres alot of electronic sensors up there that don't like h2o.

 

[Aldo ko92]

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Tut tut . Theres alot of electronic sensors up there that don't like h2o.

Yeah I saw that but unfortunately was too late, do you think the codes will clear theirself or should I replace the 2 magnets of the camshaft A and B bank 1

 

[onefortheroad]

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Yeah I saw that but unfortunately was too late, do you think the codes will clear theirself or should I replace the 2 magnets of the camshaft A and B bank 1

They aren't magnets and there's only 1 . They are hall sensors . Dry out any water with a hair dryer and have the codes cleared .

 

[Aldo ko92]

Will that fix the issue with acceleration? Like I said the car now it’s slower....

 

[Aldo ko92]

They aren't magnets and there's only 1 . They are hall sensors . Dry out any water with a hair dryer and have the codes cleared .

Will that fix the issue with acceleration? Like I said the car now it’s slower

 

[onefortheroad]

Will that fix the issue with acceleration? Like I said the car now it’s slower

You won't know till you do. A new cam sensor is about 25 £ . Normally the log codes from poor starting or miss fire .

 

[Aldo ko92]

You won't know till you do. A new cam sensor is about 25 £ . Normally the log codes from poor starting or miss fire .

I will try
Thank you