Possible EV.

[SL63 Mark]

Yep but they are never going to admit that they made a bad decision buying an (overpriced) EV. It is human nature to reinforce your own decision by getting others to do the same thing.

I agree all car owners (not just EVs) have a vested interest, and may not be honest about their experience in public, although the EV owners I know personally are honest, and I trust them.

How many EV problems do we hear about on here ? I mean EVs, not hybrids.

None that I can recall. We have endless ICE issues, but nothing EV related. I therefore do not have the data to make any kind of informed decision about reliability, ownership experience. I would need to join an EV forum, if there is such a thing.

People are usually very happy to tell you once they have sold the car. Let's wait and see.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

I completely agree, best thing is to keep your car going for as long as possible, without causing the production of a brand new car. But that assumes there actually is a need to reduce CO2...

I have done as much research as I can to form my own opinion, and I firmly believe there is no global emergency, and I take comfort that even Elon Musk who owns Tesla shares that opinion. It seems mainly politicians, celebrities and radical protestors share the belief that we are destroying the planet. Money probably plays a big part in it all; and I can imagine it's those who are profiting from Green initiatives that brainwash some of the protestors.

But I will concede that an EV will help in the city, where a localised improvement in air quality can only be a good thing. I think that's where they come into their own. For carrot crunchers like me in the countryside, I don't think they really make much sense yet.

My feelings are that whether climate change is due to a natural cycle on the world’s journey or a man made episode the fact still remains that sea temperatures are rising to record highs as are sea levels and while our factories continue to pump out enormous amounts of CO2 and other chemicals with a detrimental effect on our atmosphere we have no choice but to mitigate as much of this as possible.

We have to change the way we live our current model of capitalism relies too much on consumerism we need to reshape that to give similar benefits but manufacture goods to last, a car should last 20+ years and be built to be maintained as should white goods, the current production basis is ridiculous and extremely wasteful. Do we really need a multitude of different car brands and models it seems that we’ve thrown away what Henry Ford gave us regarding the benefits of mass production to marketing things we don’t really need.

Radicle thought and changes are required including a restriction on population if we are to achieve anything good and sustain a reasonable standard of life… maybe Elon Musk has the right idea and we need to look to the final frontier for a solution

 

[C16RKC]

Sadly I think it's all out of our control, as Banks and corporations are just too powerful. No big corporation will be happy with the ideas you put forward above, as you are effectively proposing they make less money. But yes I do agree with you; goods are made to last 2 minutes these days, and that's not a good thing for a variety of reasons.

Many people are trying to step forward and be a hero, but sadly they seem to be as misguided as the banks. I don't have any time for the views of Just stop oil, Black lives matter, or Greta Thunberg as I don't agree what they are saying at all. Their barmy viewpoint is actually making things worse rather than better; as we are just taking more money and rights away from the working classes to give to the rich under the guide of "inequality" or "green initiatives".

One day maybe someone will want to step forward and be a true hero; Elon Musk is well positioned for it. But history has shown us that if you become a hero and try to make change, you will probably sacrifice your life and that of your family to get anywhere (and still possibly fail). I certainly don't fancy that...

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Sadly I think it's all out of our control, as Banks and corporations are just too powerful. No big corporation will be happy with the ideas you put forward above, as you are effectively proposing they make less money. But yes I do agree with you; goods are made to last 2 minutes these days, and that's not a good thing for a variety of reasons.

Many people are trying to step forward and be a hero, but sadly they seem to be as misguided as the banks. I don't have any time for the views of Just stop oil, Black lives matter, or Greta Thunberg as I don't agree what they are saying at all. Their barmy viewpoint is actually making things worse rather than better; as we are just taking more money and rights away from the working classes to give to the rich under the guide of "inequality" or "green initiatives".

One day maybe someone will want to step forward and be a true hero; Elon Musk is well positioned for it. But history has shown us that if you become a hero and try to make change, you will probably sacrifice your life and that of your family to get anywhere (and still possibly fail). I certainly don't fancy that...

I think Western governments have woken up to this but don’t have a solution only to increase the size of the state and thus exercise more control, I might be cynical bit I think the banks are part of this hence the debanking debacle we are seeing play out at the moment…
I suppose expect more of the Nanny State, Big Brother and further Orwellian moves in the future…

 

[Blobcat]

I think Western governments have woken up to this but don’t have a solution only to increase the size of the state and thus exercise more control, I might be cynical bit I think the banks are part of this hence the debanking debacle we are seeing play out at the moment…
I suppose expect more of the Nanny State, Big Brother and further Orwellian moves in the future…

This thread is turning very “supermarket loyalty card”…

 

[C16RKC]

No Blobcat... we are actually slowly but surely changing the whole forum to be like it...

All that chit-chat about cars is just getting in the way.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

I like a bit of Orwell makes the day much more interesting

 

[oigle]

Sadly I think it's all out of our control, as Banks and corporations are just too powerful. No big corporation will be happy with the ideas you put forward above, as you are effectively proposing they make less money. But yes I do agree with you; goods are made to last 2 minutes these days, and that's not a good thing for a variety of reasons.

Many people are trying to step forward and be a hero, but sadly they seem to be as misguided as the banks. I don't have any time for the views of Just stop oil, Black lives matter, or Greta Thunberg as I don't agree what they are saying at all. Their barmy viewpoint is actually making things worse rather than better; as we are just taking more money and rights away from the working classes to give to the rich under the guide of "inequality" or "green initiatives".

One day maybe someone will want to step forward and be a true hero; Elon Musk is well positioned for it. But history has shown us that if you become a hero and try to make change, you will probably sacrifice your life and that of your family to get anywhere (and still possibly fail). I certainly don't fancy that...

When you see this, it kind of looks rather hopeless...https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/4140591-chinas-unbroken-commitment-to-coal-is-bucket-of-cold-water-over-green-global-visions/

 

[oigle]

Oops...link didn't work. I'll try again...

 

[rorywquin]

According to GB News, EV charging is getting more expensive than petrol.

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electric-car-charging-costs-fuel

 

[rorywquin]

My feelings are that whether climate change is due to a natural cycle on the world’s journey or a man made episode the fact still remains that sea temperatures are rising to record highs as are sea levels and ...............

I believe that it is a natural phenomenon (we are still warming up after the last glacial period - see link below) but I err on the side of caution because CO2 levels are very high and I believe we should take steps to reduce CO2 etc - just in case global warming is man made problem.

However, the UK is 1.1% of the problem yet we (in the UK) are getting hammered (financially - ULEZ, EVs etc) by the green warriors to reduce our CO2 emissions. Even if the UK was nett zero it would make no difference to climate change.

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"Ice cores provide direct information about how greenhouse gas concentrations have changed in the past, and they also provide direct evidence that the climate can change abruptly under some circumstances. However, they provide no direct analogue for the future because the ice core era contains no periods with concentrations of CO2 comparable to those of the next century." (British Antarctic Survey)

Ice cores and climate change - British Antarctic Survey

Introduction Ice cores are cylinders of ice drilled out of an ice sheet or glacier. Most ice core records come from Antarctica and Greenland, and the longest ice cores extend …

www.bas.ac.uk

 

[Srdl]

… maybe Elon Musk has the right idea and we need to look to the final frontier for a solution

Elon Mush has 10 children (according to Wikipedia)

 

[Srdl]

Sadly I think it's all out of our control, as Banks and corporations are just too powerful. No big corporation will be happy with the ideas you put forward above, as you are effectively proposing they make less money.

We seem to forget that most banks and big corporations are owned by us, in our pension funds and other investments

 

[Srdl]

I don’t know enough about the science to understand whether CO2 is the baddy or not. I do know that every human creates heat. We heat our homes, create heat in our transport, create heat from our bodies when we eat. To my mind, it doesn’t seem to matter whether the energy we consume comes from coal or solar/wind - we still have far too many humans creating heat. We are also living a lot longer so creating our heat for more years. So. I wonder whether net zero will actually do anything for global warming. Just my current thoughts!

 

[Blobcat]

I don’t know enough about the science to understand whether CO2 is the baddy or not. I do know that every human creates heat. We heat our homes, create heat in our transport, create heat from our bodies when we eat. To my mind, it doesn’t seem to matter whether the energy we consume comes from coal or solar/wind - we still have far too many humans creating heat. We are also living a lot longer so creating our heat for more years. So. I wonder whether net zero will actually do anything for global warming. Just my current thoughts!

I recommend chilling out…

 

[C16RKC]

If that fails, ignorance is bliss

 

[SL63 Mark]

Elon Mush has 10 children (according to Wikipedia)

Well at least he can afford the child support payments.

 

[bladecrazy]

we are being hammered every which way in this country, in bolton petrol/ diesel has just gone up again, gas and electric is just the same , i,m on 33p=kw but 3 years ago 21p=kw, . at the moment ev tax is free but for how long?.

 

[s5tuart]

Elon Mush has 10 children (according to Wikipedia)

I used to go out with a girl like that...

 

[Blobcat]

we are being hammered every which way in this country, in bolton petrol/ diesel has just gone up again, gas and electric is just the same , i,m on 33p=kw but 3 years ago 21p=kw, . at the moment ev tax is free but for how long?.

It’s the 53ppd standing charge that’s a killer for me