Possible EV.

[malcolm E53 AMG]

As we know insurance goes off the value of the car, my 2014 e350 was 500 to insure but valued at 17k so a big difference in value.

I’m afraid a fire caused by an EV vehicle can cause millions of pounds of damage to surrounding buildings and loss of business at those premises there is already a case going back and forth between the insurer and EV manufacturer regarding culpability

 

[rorywquin]

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Battery tech, including charging software controls are always improving.
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Depends on how they were used : frequently quick discharges (hard driving) and fast charges are proven to substantially reduce battery life.This is not a new thing.

 

[Blobcat]

As we know insurance goes off the value of the car, my 2014 e350 was 500 to insure but valued at 17k so a big difference in value.

Not entirely - my 911 is cheaper to insure than both my SLK or Smart… neither of which are worth anything like the 911 (~10% of the value) - also neither would cost as much to repair as the 911. All are insured with same requirements of business miles and unlimited mileage.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Apparently the more expensive EV brands use liquid cooling for the battery packs whereas some cheaper EV brands use inferior air cooling so something else to check if you are thinking about buying. I must say the more I look into this the more sceptical I become especially now the Chinese are becoming heavily involved

 

[bladecrazy]

how old is the 911, is it more than 20years old?i mean we are on about 200 quid difference from my point its worth it.

 

[SL63 Mark]

Some very interesting facts are coming out especially regarding insurance costs it seems insurers are waking up to the fact that EVs can self combust either from the battery overheating or sustaining damage. It seems to me that fast charging with DC is the enemy of lithium ion batteries and degrades due to the excess heat involved so be aware if you buy - and of course don’t go though a Ford

EVs are less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. See quote from recent article from What Car below.

“A Freedom of Information request submitted by Air Quality News revealed that the London Fire Brigade tackled 54 EV fires in 2019, compared with 1898 fires involving petrol or diesel cars. True, there are far more petrol and diesel cars on London roads than EVs, but this still means there were proportionally fewer electric car fires than fires involving ICE cars. “

I wouldn’t take an ICE car through a ford. Something to do with water not compressing

 

[SL63 Mark]

Apparently the more expensive EV brands use liquid cooling for the battery packs whereas some cheaper EV brands use inferior air cooling so something else to check if you are thinking about buying. I must say the more I look into this the more sceptical I become especially now the Chinese are becoming heavily involved

Don't worry Malcolm, EVs are the safest cars out there.

"Electric cars are increasingly popular, with more than one million now on UK roads. However, as is so often the case with cutting-edge technology, there are some concerns around safety.
These fears include whether they become dangerous when exposed to water and how flammable the batteries might be in a crash. So, here we reveal everything you need to know about the safety of electric cars.

How safe are electric cars in an accident? ​

Electric vehicles (EVs) have to be built to the same safety standards as internal combustion engined (ICE) cars, meaning that they are actually just as safe in the event of a collision.
Most manufacturers allow their cars to be crashed and assessed by independent safety body Euro NCAP, which awards an overall safety rating for each car it tests, allowing drivers to identify the safest choice for their needs.
In fact, the fully electric Tesla Model Y is the highest-scoring car tested by Euro NCAP since the latest standards were introduced in 2020, which is part of the reason why it won our Safety Award at the 2023 What Car? Awards."

 

[Richard Moakes]

I wouldn’t take an ICE car through a ford. Something to do with water not compressing

Not sure I would take an EV through a ford, something about electricity conducting through water (unless it was pure water, which is a poor conductor of electricity)

 

[SL63 Mark]

Not sure I would take an EV through a ford, something about electricity conducting through water (unless it was pure water, which is a poor conductor of electricity)

Depends how deep it is Richard. My Defender will happily go through 3 feet of water, with a raised air intake. The V8 SL, I wouldn't take near deep water.

An EV would be fine, as long as the water is below recommended wading depth.

 

[bladecrazy]

Don't worry Malcolm, EVs are the safest cars out there.

"Electric cars are increasingly popular, with more than one million now on UK roads. However, as is so often the case with cutting-edge technology, there are some concerns around safety.
These fears include whether they become dangerous when exposed to water and how flammable the batteries might be in a crash. So, here we reveal everything you need to know about the safety of electric cars.

How safe are electric cars in an accident? ​

Electric vehicles (EVs) have to be built to the same safety standards as internal combustion engined (ICE) cars, meaning that they are actually just as safe in the event of a collision.
Most manufacturers allow their cars to be crashed and assessed by independent safety body Euro NCAP, which awards an overall safety rating for each car it tests, allowing drivers to identify the safest choice for their needs.
In fact, the fully electric Tesla Model Y is the highest-scoring car tested by Euro NCAP since the latest standards were introduced in 2020, which is part of the reason why it won our Safety Award at the 2023 What Car? Awards."

thanks mark i did not know that, misconseptions here there and everywhere i think.

 

[SmartAmg]

Also insurance companies keen to make a profit and EV’s being the latest trend mean higher premiums

Must admit, Russ, I did wince a bit at £927 for the Tesla Model 3 Performance.
So out of curiosity i did an AMG E53 same value, it was £1,150. And I'm an old' ish git, max no claims etc etc. Think car insurance is just getting silly at the moment. That £927 was only my 1st try on a comparison site, I'm obviously gonna have a good shop around.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Don't worry Malcolm, EVs are the safest cars out there.

"Electric cars are increasingly popular, with more than one million now on UK roads. However, as is so often the case with cutting-edge technology, there are some concerns around safety.
These fears include whether they become dangerous when exposed to water and how flammable the batteries might be in a crash. So, here we reveal everything you need to know about the safety of electric cars.

How safe are electric cars in an accident? ​

Electric vehicles (EVs) have to be built to the same safety standards as internal combustion engined (ICE) cars, meaning that they are actually just as safe in the event of a collision.
Most manufacturers allow their cars to be crashed and assessed by independent safety body Euro NCAP, which awards an overall safety rating for each car it tests, allowing drivers to identify the safest choice for their needs.
In fact, the fully electric Tesla Model Y is the highest-scoring car tested by Euro NCAP since the latest standards were introduced in 2020, which is part of the reason why it won our Safety Award at the 2023 What Car? Awards

Reminds me of assurances one gets when you question the integrity of a system that malfunctions ‘it can’t be our fault sir our products never go wrong’ - self combusting EVs must be an aberration they obviously never happened

 

[C16RKC]

EVs are less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. See quote from recent article from What Car below.

“A Freedom of Information request submitted by Air Quality News revealed that the London Fire Brigade tackled 54 EV fires in 2019, compared with 1898 fires involving petrol or diesel cars. True, there are far more petrol and diesel cars on London roads than EVs, but this still means there were proportionally fewer electric car fires than fires involving ICE cars. “

I wouldn’t take an ICE car through a ford. Something to do with water not compressing

That's very badly written by What car, in fact it makes it sound like they are hiding something (I don't think they are, I think its just badly worded). But when combined with some estimated data on the numbers of cars in London, the data actually paints a very clear picture that electric cars appear to be less likely to catch fire.

After a quick google, there appear to be 2.56 million cars in London, and I have had to estimate from data that there are probably at least 110,000 electric cars in London (there were 70,000 in 2021, growing by 20,000 per year).

This means there are over 4.3% of electric cars in London (probably more), but they account for only 2.8% of all vehicle fires caused. So if you have an electric car it appears less likely to be involved in a fire.

Of course what we don't know, is if electric car fires are more dangerous or not.... but I doubt they are. Richard Hammond's accident in the Rimac did raise a lot of questions though, as if I remember correctly they struggled to get the fire out.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

That's very badly written by What car, in fact it makes it sound like they are hiding something (I don't think they are, I think its just badly worded). But when combined with some estimated data on the numbers of cars in London, the data actually paints a very clear picture that electric cars appear to be less likely to catch fire.

After a quick google, there appear to be 2.56 million cars in London, and I have had to estimate from data that there are probably at least 110,000 electric cars in London (there were 70,000 in 2021, growing by 20,000 per year).

This means there are over 4.3% of electric cars in London (probably more), but they account for only 2.8% of all vehicle fires caused. So if you have an electric car it appears less likely to be involved in a fire.

Of course what we don't know, is if electric car fires are more dangerous or not.... but I doubt they are. Richard Hammond's accident in the Rimac did raise a lot of questions though, as if I remember correctly they struggled to get the fire out.

Lithium ion fires are notorious for their intensity I think the fire service brief is to make sure the fire doesn’t spread, there was a spate of passenger aircraft lithium ion battery fires (probably due to fast charging on the apron) which really did raise a lot of concern as you would expect

 

[rorywquin]

Tesla Model 3 performance 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, looks not too bad either.

How quickly do they stop?

Was just chatting with my son who is driving home from a Porsche experience at Silverstone. Apparently they say that their benchmark for braking time is about 50% of the acceleration (I think that is what he said). So 0-60 3.3 sec, 60-0 ~1.6 sec. (I

 

[SmartAmg]

How quickly do they stop?

Was just chatting with my son who is driving home from a Porsche experience at Silverstone. Apparently they say that their bench mark for braking time is about 50% of the acceleration. So 0-60 3.3 sec, 60-0 ~1.6 sec.

So the acceleration will put your eyeballs at the back of your head. Then the braking will put them on the windscreen.

 

[SL63 Mark]

Lithium ion fires are notorious for their intensity I think the fire service brief is to make sure the fire doesn’t spread, there was a spate of passenger aircraft lithium ion battery fires (probably due to fast charging on the apron) which really did raise a lot of concern as you would expect

Petrol fires ain't much fun either

 

[Blobcat]

how old is the 911, is it more than 20years old?i mean we are on about 200 quid difference from my point its worth it.

No, not over 20, 4 years older than my SLK and 5 Years older than my smart.

That's very badly written by What car, in fact it makes it sound like they are hiding something (I don't think they are, I think it’s just badly worded). But when combined with some estimated data on the numbers of cars in London, the data actually paints a very clear picture that electric cars appear to be less likely to catch fire.

After a quick google, there appear to be 2.56 million cars in London, and I have had to estimate from data that there are probably at least 110,000 electric cars in London (there were 70,000 in 2021, growing by 20,000 per year).

This means there are over 4.3% of electric cars in London (probably more), but they account for only 2.8% of all vehicle fires caused. So if you have an electric car it appears less likely to be involved in a fire.

Of course what we don't know, is if electric car fires are more dangerous or not.... but I doubt they are. Richard Hammond's accident in the Rimac did raise a lot of questions though, as if I remember correctly they struggled to get the fire out.

It was still reigniting 5 days later according to Top Gear…

 

[bladecrazy]

just had an email from our energy supplier stateing electric going down to 27kw from 33p per kw , still no where near the 21p per kw before covid,

 

[Frontstep]

The EV fire data is skewed by age, come back when they are ten years old with 100,000 miles on the clock and assess the fire risk.