SAVE THE PLANET BUT AT WHAT COST TO OTHER MB OWNERS

[M80]

heating a plunge pool.

The only plunge pool I have experience of is after a banya (Russian steam room). It was ice cold water. They hit each other with leafy branches as well, I think it's all a bit s&m ish so didn't bother.
Is your doctor buddy just thinking of his bath? It'll be as hot.

 

[00slk]

More likely a bank of diesel generators...
If you know where to look there are a great many around the country ready to provide power when the wind isn't blowing correctly...

Yep like the London bus depot for charging E buses

 

[C16RKC]

Bill gates has touched on a bit of truth here, but he has not really been clear enough, or taken it far enough.

Bill Gates demands tougher action on climate change and cuts to fuel emissions

The entrepreneur told the virtual audience that new innovations are needed to replace polluting activities.

www.gbnews.uk

Basically he has pointed out that everyone owning electric cars and buying a more energy efficient fridge will not solve the climate emergency (i.e. reduce CO2 enough to bring it below pre industrial revolution levels). But I don't agree with his figure of 25%. I think electric cars will only reduce CO2 levels by about 5%; and that is based on everyone worldwide switching. I fail to believe a reduction of another 20% can be achieving by keeping the fridge door closed, and trying to turn the lights off whenever we leave a room.

But for some reason he has chosen to bang on about "innovation"... Yes some new magic ideas will certainly help, but only an idiot relies on the unknown.

We have the technology to reduce CO2 right now, and it's called Nuclear power. What would be wrong with switching to Nuclear power worldwide over the next 5 years, so that we can work on cleaner energy and fusion in the mean time - but in the short term keep CO2 levels down. The knock on effect is we would remove our reliance on Russian energy too

Then the general public can go back to their lives, drive Teslas, or V8's whatever they wish, and stop paying "green taxes" for no reason.

 

[Blobcat]

Bill gates has touched on a bit of truth here, but he has not really been clear enough, or taken it far enough.

Bill Gates demands tougher action on climate change and cuts to fuel emissions

The entrepreneur told the virtual audience that new innovations are needed to replace polluting activities.

www.gbnews.uk

Basically he has pointed out that everyone owning electric cars and buying a more energy efficient fridge will not solve the climate emergency (i.e. reduce CO2 enough to bring it below pre industrial revolution levels). But I don't agree with his figure of 25%. I think electric cars will only reduce CO2 levels by about 5%; and that is based on everyone worldwide switching. I fail to believe a reduction of another 20% can be achieving by keeping the fridge door closed, and trying to turn the lights off whenever we leave a room.

But for some reason he has chosen to bang on about "innovation"... Yes some new magic ideas will certainly help, but only an idiot relies on the unknown.

We have the technology to reduce CO2 right now, and it's called Nuclear power. What would be wrong with switching to Nuclear power worldwide over the next 5 years, so that we can work on cleaner energy and fusion in the mean time - but in the short term keep CO2 levels down. The knock on effect is we would remove our reliance on Russian energy too

Then the general public can go back to their lives, drive Teslas, or V8's whatever they wish, and stop paying "green taxes" for no reason.

The below is a good start - and one of the first that they're doing is building an apprentice training building on the site to train the engineers and scientists that will be working at the STEP site at West Burton

West Burton selected as home of STEP fusion plant

Government-backed programme aims to prove low carbon electricity from fusion

www.gov.uk

 

[Frontstep]

The reality that 80% of us have gas central heating is the elephant in the room and retro-fitting anything electric onto a creaking grid and drafty houses is not so much a problem as ludicrously expensive.

I costed it on frontstep towers and it flew into five figures quickly.

Then were supposed to be going electric with our cars and so many simply haven't got a reasonable way of doing it.

Follow that with renewables that rely on gas to come to their aid on cold windless nights.

We keep being pedaled a fantasy.

No one has come up with a rational replacement for oil and gases many uses,

we are many years off a reasonable transition.

The answer, for now, is under our feet.

In the medium term it might be nuclear or maybe we will get tidal to work but might and maybe don't heat our hospitals and schools or run our businesses never mind our homes.

 

[Hotspur]

The reality that 80% of us have gas central heating is the elephant in the room and retro-fitting anything electric onto a creaking grid and drafty houses is not so much a problem as ludicrously expensive.

I costed it on frontstep towers and it flew into five figures quickly.

Then were supposed to be going electric with our cars and so many simply haven't got a reasonable way of doing it.

Follow that with renewables that rely on gas to come to their aid on cold windless nights.

We keep being pedaled a fantasy.

No one has come up with a rational replacement for oil and gases many uses,

we are many years off a reasonable transition.

The answer, for now, is under our feet.

In the medium term it might be nuclear or maybe we will get tidal to work but might and maybe don't heat our hospitals and schools or run our businesses never mind our homes.

But just think of all the glue we would save from all those activists not having to glue themselves to motorways if we all go green...

 

[C16RKC]

Nuclear is out short term answer, but no one seems to want to accept it.

It would solve the CO2 issue in one sweeping move.

 

[C16RKC]

Well this makes me sick with anger:

Animal Rebellion protesters splatter paint on London hunting shops

The Extinction Rebellion offshoot group called on vegans to 'occupy London'

www.gbnews.uk

These people are thugs and bullies, the lot of them. They think just because they have an opinion, it is obviously right, and they can use force to argue it. If people like that were in positions of power it would effectively be a dictatorship.

These organisations need to be broken up, and I hope those in government are addressing it, but part of me thinks it might suit government to let them keep doing it, as the keep the focus away from the real issues of the world, and spread a lot of misinformation without the government having to lift a finger.

 

[s5tuart]

What they are doing is criminal damage and should be treated as such.
I will fiercely defend our right to protest but draw the line at damage of property.

 

[DSK]

What they are doing is criminal damage and should be treated as such.
I will fiercely defend our right to protest but draw the line at damage of property.

Absolutely! there is a right and wrong way to do things.

As for a comment a couple of posts above about dictatorship, sadly the age of corruption, greed, selfish desires etc in which we live in, which will only continue to get worse as it has done, is dictatorship and tyranny in forms that most can’t see through it.


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[Hotspur]

Well this makes me sick with anger:

Animal Rebellion protesters splatter paint on London hunting shops

The Extinction Rebellion offshoot group called on vegans to 'occupy London'

www.gbnews.uk

These people are thugs and bullies, the lot of them. They think just because they have an opinion, it is obviously right, and they can use force to argue it. If people like that were in positions of power it would effectively be a dictatorship.

These organisations need to be broken up, and I hope those in government are addressing it, but part of me thinks it might suit government to let them keep doing it, as the keep the focus away from the real issues of the world, and spread a lot of misinformation without the government having to lift a finger.

agree completely - it is often welcomed as a useful and timely distraction from the other news and ineptness of our government...

 

[C16RKC]

What they are doing is criminal damage and should be treated as such.
I will fiercely defend our right to protest but draw the line at damage of property.

I agree there is nothing wrong with Protesting, drumming up support, campaigning. These are powerful tools when you are trying to argue your point; I think an example of this is how Nigel Farage used all these things in his campaign for the UK to leave the European Union (whether one agrees with what he achieved or not).

But what they are doing is trying to get their way through destruction and violence; and worse still they justify their actions by saying it is an emergency. I have no time for people like that.

What they should be doing is educating people on the facts. But they don't want to do that, because then they still would not get their way. They want to force people to live the way they do, and that's not fair.

 

[Mark Q]

I don't get these muppetts slashing tyres. Don't they realise that either someone has to remove the wheels and drive them somewhere to be fixed then drive back, or a big dirty truck has to drive to the car to replace the tyres, often with a diesel generator for the tools. Disposing of tyres is a a big non green issue, making new tyres involves taking rubber out of trees, cooking it at high temps and usually shipping it half way around the world.

They are causing a lot more harm to the environment than if they had just left things alone > stupidity.

 

[Frontstep]

I laugh at the thought of us in a dictatorship, our Politicians are flags in the wind of the me-edia as Boris Johnson said "when the herd moves" your out both he and Truss are as far from dictating anything that we have ever had.

We bow to foreign courts run by people we don't know, selected by others, has anyone read the UNHCR judgement?

We have only partially left the EU where we sat powerless, the UN is a talking shop that wrings its hands whilst Putin and his ilk stick two large fingers up at us.

We don't even control our borders.

We sit seemingly powerless whilst the disruptors and the do nothing brigade disrupt our lives for their agenda.

In the immortal words of Jim Royle dictatorship my arse.

 

[M80]

I laugh at the thought of us in a dictatorship, our Politicians are flags in the wind of the me-edia as Boris Johnson said "when the herd moves" your out both he and Truss are as far from dictating anything that we have ever had.

We bow to foreign courts run by people we don't know, selected by others, has anyone read the UNHCR judgement?

We have only partially left the EU where we sat powerless, the UN is a talking shop that wrings its hands whilst Putin and his ilk stick two large fingers up at us.

We don't even control our borders.

We sit seemingly powerless whilst the disruptors and the do nothing brigade disrupt our lives for their agenda.

In the immortal words of Jim Royle dictatorship my arse.

All good points,
but we aren't a democracy either is all we vote for is people that have no power to enact our wishes.

 

[Frontstep]

All good points,
but we aren't a democracy either is all we vote for is people that have no power to enact our wishes.

True, which is why so many voted for the B that has not been fully implemented.

We still take our orders from elsewhere.

Democracy is the most valuable thing we have as citizens and those who seek to disrupt it or destroy our votes are the worst "bad actors"

Our elected leader was ousted by an unhealthy coalition of the me-edia and a self-selected clique of politicians acting for their own aims.

 

[dry run]

True, which is why so many voted for the B that has not been fully implemented.

We still take our orders from elsewhere.

Democracy is the most valuable thing we have as citizens and those who seek to disrupt it or destroy our votes are the worst "bad actors"

Our elected leader was ousted by an unhealthy coalition of the me-edia and a self-selected clique of politicians acting for their own aims.

How's that working out for them?

 

[Frontstep]

I wonder how many deaths the stop oil protestors will think is acceptable.

Stopping so-called new oil and gas development has a large and seemingly overlooked problem, it puts strong upward pressure on existing reserve prices.

As with most new technologies, those that can afford to will embrace grossly overpriced air source heating systems and others whilst the poor will be stuck with the "old gas and oil" tech as prices rise as supply falls.

A return of the beast from the east winters and granny and many others will be freezing.
The short-sighted stop-oil coalition is literally assisting the likes of Putin, he carries on producing, and we with our tiny piece of the world markets will stop and suffer.

Renewables are great or more accurately might be in the future and stop oil and their ilk would be doing everyone a favour by supporting their development, perhaps doing some work in that area might for the planet be more useful.

So I presume they won't.

 

[C16RKC]

They are just attention seekers. Drunk on the romantic notion of thinking they are heros.



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[Frontstep]

There is a significant proportion of the population who ignore the doers in favour of the protestors.

Protesting about something is a growing trend.

They were/will be tripping over each other in London this week,

Insulate Britain (carry on who is stopping you)

Just stop oil (Fine but what's the alternative)

Climate activists ( trying to change our .5%)

Extinction rebellion and all the other assorted deadbeats will be out in force this weekend just making a nuisance of themselves, thousands of them just imagine if they insulated something or did some research and development on renewables.



Standing for Parliament is long winded and hard work.

Developing new technologies is work and expensive.

so much easier to make an effing nuisance of yourself with your worthy friends and blame the "guvvernment"

The latest is tax everyone richer than them to pay for everything.