ULEZ Consultation

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Apologies if this has been posted before.

As most of you will know, there is a proposal to extend the London ULEZ zone outward towards the M25 Boundary in 2023.

Below is a link to the not-well-publicised, TFL consultation, ending on 29 July. This will take about 5 minutes to complete:
https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/cleanair?cid=clean-air

... and here is a link to a petition, which will take 5 seconds to register your disapproval (if you disapprove).
https://www.change.org/p/stop-sadiq-khan-expanding-the-ulez-to-all-the-london-borough-2023


In many European countries, a vehicle 25 years or older counts as a classic. Here, in the UK, the rolling system stalled between 1997 and 2014 and so now requires a car 40 years or older to be a 'classic' and these don't pay road-tax or ULEZ. I have a couple of vehicles that are around 25 years old and which are used infrequently. However, I don't really want to pay £12.50 every time I come out of the front drive and I imagine there are probably many others with similarly old, well-maintained vehicles, that would be affected by this ULEZ expansion. It doesn't make sense to scrap such vehicles and even according to TFL's own estimates the 50,000 affected vehicles will have a very minor impact on CO2 and NOx. In fact, domestic central heating boilers in the London area account for more NOx than road transport (GLA report 2018). Even if you don't live in London, the outcome of the expansion will mean it will spread further to other towns and cities near you. Electric vehicles may have low tail-pipe emissions, but they are not green in manufacture, in their eventual disposal (LiON batteries), and not all the power they consume comes from green sources. This is probably a path towards Road Pricing, according to where you are driving, the time of day and distance, since the government revenue from Fuel Duty will decline significantly this decade, and they will need to find alternatives to fill the gap.

Anyway, please use the above links and have your say.
 

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I have a 2009 CLS 320 CDI, and am assuming it does not meet the Euro 6 diesel standard to be ULEZ compliant, but have no way to check whether the emissions would in fact be within Euro 6 limits. Can anyone shed light on this please? If only just to confirm I am non-compliant. Thanks.
 

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To confirm for London only,
type a search of 'Pay Ulez', be sure to use the .Gov site.
Go through and it will tell anyone if their car is compliant.
'If' you've slipped through the net keep shtum.
 

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We live within the M25 but we don't live in the area that is included in those plans, although we often go in and out of the London Boroughs of Harrow, Hillingdon and Barnet without even realising it! I think the whole idea is stupid and although our MB is ULEZ compliant, our Mini isn't.
 

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This is probably a path towards Road Pricing, according to where you are driving, the time of day and distance...
Yep. They are already working on the system and are recruiting extra staff for the process. 2026 is the expected roll out. It’s obvious ULEZ is putting the infrastructure in place.

In the meantime I expect they will sneak more and more cars into the non-compliant category. Possibly higher CO2 bracket cars or EU4 petrols next on the hit list?

I live just outside the M25, I will probably get something like a cheap Smart to drive inside London and accept it will be banned before long.
 

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Of course what they’re not realising is that with the advent of home working, they’re actively putting in place barriers for people to visit London and spend money there, other than it being the capital.

Doesn’t take long for businesses to up stumps to more attractive locales.
 

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Of course what they’re not realising is that with the advent of home working, they’re actively putting in place barriers for people to visit London and spend money there, other than it being the capital.

Doesn’t take long for businesses to up stumps to more attractive locales.
You’d think they’d learn from all the other “charity / vape / empty / charity / empty / vape” town and city centres… but that would imply a level of intelligence not commonly found in councils…:(
 

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You’d think they’d learn from all the other “charity / vape / empty / charity / empty / vape” town and city centres… but that would imply a level of intelligence not commonly found in councils…:(
Or Sadiq Khan. But then, he’s so red he’s Marxist, so that sort of thinking doesn’t apply.
 

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as per LostKiwi's post - the adblue 350's are but not all 350's are adblue if you are looking to get one - i have an E350 CDI from 2012 and its not compliant so please do check before you buy
 

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as per LostKiwi's post - the adblue 350's are but not all 350's are adblue if you are looking to get one - i have an E350 CDI from 2012 and its not compliant so please do check before you buy
Alternatively get a petrol V8…
 

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Alternatively get a petrol V8…

Yeah I have one of those too...4.4L V8 Twin Turbo...blooming amazing performance and the sound is epic...also ULEZ compliant...although <15 MPG when giving it the beans...
 

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Yeah I have one of those too...4.4L V8 Twin Turbo...blooming amazing performance and the sound is epic...also ULEZ compliant...although <15 MPG when giving it the beans...
Range Rover?
 

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This would be the end of my C350 CDI ownership. I have most of my family inside the M25, we see them often, and are there for days at a time. Another good reason to go for a C43, and the wife would be happy as this is cheaper than the C63!
 

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The media is talking up a fire sale of non ULEZ cars in the south east as Londoners ditch them.....
I have a friend that is ditching London for the south coast for this reason (as well as his views on a property dip/crash in London)
 

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Understand the game being played before potentially wasting a lot of money and time. They aren’t spending hundreds of millions on infrastructure to tax a small number of old vehicles which are evaporating through age anyway.

They are installing the systems for road pricing and will want a critical mass of ICE vehicles gone being pressing go. Once ULEZ is active they will move more and more cars to the non-compliant list. Possibly high CO2 bracket or EU4 petrols next.
 
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Understand the game being played before potentially wasting a lot of money and time. They aren’t spending hundreds of millions on infrastructure to tax a small number of old vehicles which are evaporating through age anyway.

They are installing the systems for road pricing and will want a critical mass of ICE vehicles gone being pressing go. Once ULEZ is active they will move more and more cars to the non-compliant list. Possibly high CO2 bracket or EU4 petrols next.
ULEZ in London is going to be applied to EV's
 
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ULEZ in London is going to be applied to EV's
I don't disagree, but what would be the name of ULEZ then, to justify taxing the (in theory) non emitting motors?
 

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I don't disagree, but what would be the name of ULEZ then, to justify taxing the (in theory) non emitting motors?
There have been a few articles recently where “experts” and studies claim most traffic pollution is actually from brake & tyre dust rather than exhaust. May or may not be true, who cares!

ULEZ will simply morph into road pricing whereby you are charged per mile based on algorithms factoring in time of day, congestion, air quality etc etc.

Every sunny day will probably be named a climate emergency and the fee will go up!

Paris is similar but they have been more honest and provided a phase out calendar. The requirement becomes more stringent on set dates - by 2024 an ICE car must be an EU5 petrol. I believe it’s an outright ban too, no option to pay a fee.
 

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