Anybody owned more than one Merc.

[television]

Well I am not one for knocking what others have, but in all fairness I and my friends run mercedes with the 7g box that are perfect in all respects. I get no jerks or anything else and this has been endorsed by other members who are happy with the box.

So like your Jags and the new box,some do some do not

 

[pipmk]

This was a good interesting thread that started by asking members how many Mercs they had owned ........and you have just attempted to make it an assasination on the Jaguar XF and myself.

On reading your posts again I realise that you are a right up your own arse,
and dont know what you are talking about....... so with that in mind I wont waste my time posting any replies to any future sad git posts you make.

Loved the bit about me spelling the word monika wrongly, I am sure I read this:......... If my injectors go then I know a MB garage that will fix it under (warrenty.)
if you are going to pull people up on there spelling I would suggest you learn to spell yourself 1st .


Its interesting that the Jaguar XF won car of the decade and has consistantly scored far higher than Mercedes in the JD power Surveys.

Alfie

Dear Alfiebeard,
I had no idea that you had an XF when I contributed. I am allowed to not like a car even if you have one,or am I not?

I ignored your swipe at the E350 cab (made only because you saw I had one,very very childish).

Do get over yourself. We don't all have to stand in awe of your massive intellect,your exquisite taste and the absolute perfection of your being.

 

[pipmk]

Well I am not one for knocking what others have, but in all fairness I and my friends run mercedes with the 7g box that are perfect in all respects. I get no jerks or anything else and this has been endorsed by other members who are happy with the box.

So like your Jags and the new box,some do some do not

It was an odd contribution by the OP as so many people,probably the majority on here either have had a number of Mercedes cars or despite problems, like the Mercedes they have.

Why bother coming on here unless the OP was hoping to get us all to buy something else?

As for the 7g box,all the Mercedes I have owned have had good boxes including a manual E I had many years ago. Obviously thjere will be some problems but to condemn all of a particular type because of a few problems seems rather hasty.

 

[lanciaman]

I i thought this forum was above resorting to personal abuse - disappointing.

However, hopefully a blip. All the folk I have come across have been friendly and helpful - which makes for the success I think it is. I have had some huge help on here (Malcolm!) and without that help there is no way I could have continued with my MB experiences.

Everyone is entitled to a view - they may be wrong! - but still entitled without having to have personal abuse thrown at them.

 

[television]

It was an odd contribution by the OP as so many people,probably the majority on here either have had a number of Mercedes cars or despite problems, like the Mercedes they have.

Why bother coming on here unless the OP was hoping to get us all to buy something else?

As for the 7g box,all the Mercedes I have owned have had good boxes including a manual E I had many years ago. Obviously thjere will be some problems but to condemn all of a particular type because of a few problems seems rather hasty.

What upsets me the most is when I am told that my box is jerky, one of my friends who buys new S class would not tolerate a jerky box, the second 7g box car that I rode in was Colins R class and that was perfect. Its as though I am being told that I do not know what I am talking about. Steve said that he could drive my car and make it jerk, unbelievable

 

[pipmk]

What upsets me the most is when I am told that my box is jerky, one of my friends who buys new S class would not tolerate a jerky box, the second 7g box car that I rode in was Colins R class and that was perfect. Its as though I am being told that I do not know what I am talking about. Steve said that he could drive my car and make it jerk, unbelievable

Was that make it jerk or be a jerk Malcolm? The intolerance of other points of view or the expertise of others is rather irritating sometimes but is a common factor on the internet as regrettably is the use of insults and as strong an expletive as will escape censorship.

I don't happen to like the XF, I also don't like the R class, the BMWX6, the Porsche Cayenne and others. But I don't think that those who do are wrong or fools or don't know what they are talking about. They are as entitled to their view as I am.

Nowadays I don't get involved in the mechanicals, my choice is to have someone do that for me but I also find it hard to believe for example that Mercedes would continue to fit a gearbox which is not up to the job or glowplugs that will fail at an early stage. Does anybody really think they are that stupid? Does anyone really think by bitching about such perceived defects they will convince others of the rightness of their view? If so they are going against human nature. We believe what suits us and it is rare that we are persuaded otherwise.

However lots of people never let facts cloud their judgement. It was ever thus.

 

[BlueGriff]

Unfortunate that this seems to have turned into a slag off Jag and 7speed gearboxes thread, it was interesting until then.

GIzze makes a valid point :-

“Cars these days in this sector our now built to a budget.
My old man paid £38k for his E Class in 1993, we paid £36k for our house the year after, that house has just sold for £189,000, you can buy a new E250 for around £35k. Something has to give somewhere”

Roughly 10 years ago I paid almost the same in cash terms for the 530 as I did for the C350 so in reality it was a lot less money, they both had about 15K miles on them and both were less than 2 years old.

I bought the 530 off a non franchised forecourt, only used an independent for service and found an entirely agreeable and reasonably priced service. My BMW experience was wholly free from main dealer exposure and was entirely enjoyable.

The Merc experience has been Main dealer based and has been less than enjoyable including Merc themselves rejecting a Warranty claim.

I stand by my original observation that the product is OK but not exceptional, the support from the local main dealer and warranty support from Merc has been less than exceptional.

Perhaps in retrospect my original question should have been :-

Has anybody bought a car from a main dealer more than once ?

 

[st4]

What upsets me the most is when I am told that my box is jerky, one of my friends who buys new S class would not tolerate a jerky box, the second 7g box car that I rode in was Colins R class and that was perfect. Its as though I am being told that I do not know what I am talking about. Steve said that he could drive my car and make it jerk, unbelievable

I think I said I'd be able to find a jerk.

I've found fault with every 7g car I've driven. Does that not count for anything. I've driven many 5g cars and found them fine, same with 6sp ZF boxes ranging from 2litre diesel 3series, through 4400cc BMWs and 730ds and 5.2V10 Audi. Only the 4400cc BMW had one slight issue with bouncing off the rev limiter once before changing up.

Why is it that Alfie and I report similar experiences ? Does that not count for anything? I can't even be botherf to list rfe 7g cars I've driven that have been faulty and the 5g ones which have been excellent.

Now more than ever I suspect it's a personal taste thing and one mans jerk is another mans just feeling a change.

 

[Jodel]

Now more than ever I suspect it's a personal taste thing and one mans jerk is another mans just feeling a change.

Nope - a harsh shift is a harsh shift. ST4 - You've not had a chance to try my car since it had a software update! You'll find that the professional chauffeur has been replaced by a learner driver

I was delighted with my E280 CDI 7G when I first got it. You could detect the changes, but they were very smooth and the car was almost always in the right gear. I definitely preferred it to my previous E220 5G. Following a software update to cure the harsh 2-1 downshift, its never been right since and you are left in no doubt when a shift occurs. This is really irritating in stop-start traffic where it used to be super-smooth.

I think the 7G box is excellent if it can be set up correctly, but achieving such a state of nirvana seems to be beyond most dealers / indys. I would certainly recommend that anyone happy with their 7G 'box leaves well alone and don't allow the dealer to make any software updates.

 

[television]

I think I said I'd be able to find a jerk.

I've found fault with every 7g car I've driven. Does that not count for anything. I've driven many 5g cars and found them fine, same with 6sp ZF boxes ranging from 2litre diesel 3series, through 4400cc BMWs and 730ds and 5.2V10 Audi. Only the 4400cc BMW had one slight issue with bouncing off the rev limiter once before changing up.

Why is it that Alfie and I report similar experiences ? Does that not count for anything? I can't even be botherf to list rfe 7g cars I've driven that have been faulty and the 5g ones which have been excellent.

Now more than ever I suspect it's a personal taste thing and one mans jerk is another mans just feeling a change.

It would be easier to leave the 722.6 box out of it.

Do not you think that this would be big motoring press news if every 7g box was jerky. for all the ones that you say are, I can say that all the ones that I have been in have been perfect.

It has been shown on the USA forums that once a new valve block has been fitted to the ones that jerked, the boxes are then perfect, so an easy fix on any that were bad,,,,all of the cars that you have been in have been quite old I think

 

[television]

Nope - a harsh shift is a harsh shift. ST4 - You've not had a chance to try my car since it had a software update! You'll find that the professional chauffeur has been replaced by a learner driver

I was delighted with my E280 CDI 7G when I first got it. You could detect the changes, but they were very smooth and the car was almost always in the right gear. I definitely preferred it to my previous E220 5G. Following a software update to cure the harsh 2-1 downshift, its never been right since and you are left in no doubt when a shift occurs. This is really irritating in stop-start traffic where it used to be super-smooth.

I think the 7G box is excellent if it can be set up correctly, but achieving such a state of nirvana seems to be beyond most dealers / indys. I would certainly recommend that anyone happy with their 7G 'box leaves well alone and don't allow the dealer to make any software updates.

True, very few can set them up well,,,

 

[ALFIEBEARD]

I think I said I'd be able to find a jerk.

I've found fault with every 7g car I've driven. Does that not count for anything. I've driven many 5g cars and found them fine, same with 6sp ZF boxes ranging from 2litre diesel 3series, through 4400cc BMWs and 730ds and 5.2V10 Audi. Only the 4400cc BMW had one slight issue with bouncing off the rev limiter once before changing up.

Why is it that Alfie and I report similar experiences ? Does that not count for anything? I can't even be botherf to list rfe 7g cars I've driven that have been faulty and the 5g ones which have been excellent.

Now more than ever I suspect it's a personal taste thing and one mans jerk is another mans just feeling a change.

Hi St4,
I agree and thank you for being brave enough to post your thoughts on the
7G, I think there are rose tinted spectacles involved on this thread.

I came back on this forum and answered a simple question from anyweb about why I may come back to Mercedes from my XF, and got a reply that slated me and the XF.

This Forum used to be the best on the net, and ive had invaluable information over the years from Malcolm and others including yourself ,

Unfortunately ive decided I am not going to post on this forum in the future as this thread is going from bad to worse and its a great shame.

Take Care

Alfie

 

[pipmk]

I think I said I'd be able to find a jerk.

I've found fault with every 7g car I've driven. Does that not count for anything. I've driven many 5g cars and found them fine, same with 6sp ZF boxes ranging from 2litre diesel 3series, through 4400cc BMWs and 730ds and 5.2V10 Audi. Only the 4400cc BMW had one slight issue with bouncing off the rev limiter once before changing up.

Why is it that Alfie and I report similar experiences ? Does that not count for anything? I can't even be botherf to list rfe 7g cars I've driven that have been faulty and the 5g ones which have been excellent.

Now more than ever I suspect it's a personal taste thing and one mans jerk is another mans just feeling a change.

I think your last line is absolutely right,it is a personal taste thing,as indeed is ones choice of cars. An "attack" (criticism) of a particular car in a range is not an attack on anyone who buys that car,or that manufacturer,we are all entitled to an opinion and tastes differ, thank goodness.

We can all get cars to misbehave by ill treating them,not that I am suggesting that applies in your case,that does not prove anything other than we are not driving them as the majority do and as the makers reasonably expect us to. This is usually proved (but not always) when we take them to the garage and they can't duplicate the fault.

It is unwise to get upset or over analyse comments on the net and easy to see a slight when none is intended, tone of voice, facial expression,all the additional clues used in face to face communication are missing, call some one a twit with a big grin on your face and a laugh in your voice is entirely different to doing so in print.

I would be sorry if Alfie were to leave but it must be a matter for him.

 

[st4]

It would be easier to leave the 722.6 box out of it.

Do not you think that this would be big motoring press news if every 7g box was jerky. for all the ones that you say are, I can say that all the ones that I have been in have been perfect.

It has been shown on the USA forums that once a new valve block has been fitted to the ones that jerked, the boxes are then perfect, so an easy fix on any that were bad,,,,all of the cars that you have been in have been quite old I think

Hate to tell you.

59 reg CLS grand edition. Jerk into 1st from 2nd and a flaring shift from 1st into 2nd only when cold. 6k miles on it

09 reg C320cdi - 2 into 1 jerk.

E500 coupe (new at the end of 2009). Really just awful.

My shed, flaring shift 1 into 2 when cold, otherwise ok.

Jodels E280cdi, actually, in Feb this year I was in it, I could feel it wasn't as lumpy as mine, but not perfect. Now its awful so he says.

Dads S class, 61 reg, jolt from 2 into one.

Thats my personal experiences, I am glad yours are different, as its your car it would affect.

My C class today, out on tour, immense bar one jolt as I changed down on the paddle as it was, so got two gear changes from one, and the 5g cars when manouvering take longer to engage R and D. But I love them

I'll do a proper touring thread in a bit

 

[Cblackeyes]

Owning Mercs

I have had many (30) Mercs since 1981. Spent a fortune on them. SEC,SL,SE,CE,CL,ML and CLS. and I've loved most of them. Not all perfect by any means and plenty of warranty work done and even a CL and SL that were taken back by MB for a wiring problem due to a bad leak on the CL and 'Tanzanitis' with defective paintwork on an SL500. Many boot seals replaced on the SL's.
When they are good they are not just good they are FANTASTIC. My 2012 SL63 is a masterpiece. If you have a good dealer or specialist mechanic the problems are solved easily. I think driving a big engine Merc on a good road is nearly as good as sex.
I defected when the BMW850 came out and needed a chiropractor. Lasted 6 weeks and the depreciation was unbelievable. Had a 7 series.....sterile rubbish and greedy on fuel.
Had a recent Jag XKR hated the Ford parts and thimble fuel tank and 15 to the gallon.
Each to their own but I'll be sticking with Mercedes.

 

[macker64]

I am very lucky to own two Mercs at present.

No. 1 1997 W210 E300 Turbodiesel. Goes like a stabbed rat, extremely comfortable and good on diesel.
I am also glad to report it has minimal rust.

No. 2 1991 W124 300CE 24V coupe. God I love this car. I bought it 9 months ago for 500euro and have restored it to its former glory. The growl from the engine at full throttle is unbelievable and boy can it shift!
Everywhere this car goes it gets admiring glances and to date it has never put a foot wrong.

Going to look at a 1998 W140 S320 next week and if it drives as well as it looks it will be joining the fleet!!

 

[Rockall]

Going back to the original point of this thread.

Had a 1998 300 Turbodiesel Avantgarde some years back 2002 - 2007 - mechanically 100% and loved the drive once I fitted the standard suspension into it - it was just too low on bad roads.

Left the fold for a while.

January this year replaced Betsy (1997 Landcruiser with 417K miles) with a 2001 ML 270cdi - more comfortable, less road tax ( don't start me on Irish road tax!!), very comfortable and very good on fuel. This is my day to day workhorse. I changed the 16" wheels for ML 17" - ground clearance is still too low - I am in the quarry business and am now getting a heavy duty belly plate fabricated. I do have concerns about the fact that you need a lap top to talk to it and the long term reliability of all the electronics.

In January I purchased a 1994 124 300 multivalve diesel automatic for my then unemployed daughter whose other car had died - what a car - engineering at its best and all for less than 1000 euro. Daughter has now a very well paid job but has no intention of handing back the 124!!

I have since bought another 124 24V diesel to restore,
Then a 124 320 coupe to convert to diesel.
Then last week another 124 24 V diesel as a donor for the conversion, decided it was far too good to scrap and am now driving that as my everyday good car.
Yesterday another 124 24 V diesel as a donor car !!

Now I need either one of two things as this is a disease!!

Either a larger shed/workshop or a rich, good looking, eye lash fluttering, female mercedes owner.


Regards
Bill

 

[Comand]

Yes, ive had about 11 Mercedes cars now.

 

[richyba]

Well as it stands 3 mercs:

2002 W210 220 AG - I absolutely love its style and reliability a little of the dreaded tin worm but nothing serious, I know it wouldn't be everyones choice as a cruiser but it just completed a 2 week trip to UK and a lot of miles with no fuss and great economy gearbox is incredible to me, it is often a case of watching the rev counter to see changes it is that good. Only problem to date 2 injectors blowing but otherwise a pleasure to own.

2005 W171 SLK200K - The bosses car! I thought I would hate it but I have to confess I sneak a lone of it now and then, it is pure fun and feels taught and well built, again great gearbox, only fault intermittent ESP warning, must get it cured - any ideas?

1994 T1 410D - Was a minibus for 10 years on tour work in Ireland, retired last year and converted into a camper and we love it 100% reliable in 11 years, not fast but keeps going 350,000 miles to date, virtually no oil consumption and flys through smoke test - never even had the injectors out while i have owned it!

Would I have another Merc? Looking right now!

 

[richyba]

Forgot and an 11 reg Sprinter for work - too soon to tell but Ok so far, not built like the 410d, mind you!