Changes to fuel / E10

[Blobcat]

Yeah, guess you are correct, not near enough for my trips, would waste the price difference going there I'm afraid.

I’m lucky in that I’ve one to the North in Leeds and one to the South in Sheffield.

 

[Misterdog]

Costco

Though it can take 15 minutes to reach the pumps in the queue sometimes.

 

[Blobcat]

Though it can take 15 minutes to reach the pumps in the queue sometimes.

Not when I go… in there early doors

 

[Misterdog]

Though at 6 am. you can't stock up on oversize muffins and Lavazza .

 

[Botus]

The Reading Costco was "upgraded" to a petrol forecourt site I think it has 48 pumps, 3 people on duty to tell cars where to go and the queues are around the block all day long - the pricing is wildly cheaper than any other, often up to 23p a litre than the worst crooks you get (other than service stations of course where its >30p a litre)

as for older vehicles that run badly on 95 ethanol death duel - try BP 97 and a dash of Dipetane - its will be like the good old days

 

[sl500amgsport]

Tesco cheapest locally albeit not sure about the Supermarket crap arguments....

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[ajlsl600]

People keep saying this but I've had no problems with it and we use loads when we go to France. The 129 pretty much lives on the stuff and sits for months at a time unused and the ride on mower can easily go 7 or 8 months between starts.

I wonder about that fuel. Dealer has so far replaced three of my new 2t strimmers ? And my chain saw, perfect for 8byr is now playing up. I think the e10 eats the seals in small carbs on 2t machines. I will try blowing carb out on chainsaw, however once these things play up I rarely have a good outcome. The strimmers just get hard to start then won't idle so far 3 of them in 3 months, even Dealer can't get them to run properly and replaces them???? Last time I ran carb dry when I finished will be interesting to see. I use the same 2t oil as for 15 yr so wot else can it f be!!

 

[Woodleigh]

And my chain saw, perfect for 8byr is now playing up. I think the e10 eats the seals in small carbs on 2t machines.

You could be right.
I have always used E5 petrol (Shel V-Power) in my Husqvarna strimmer, leaf blower, hedge trimmer, and lawnmower and never had an issue in 15 years or more.

 

[Botus]

I wonder about that fuel. Dealer has so far replaced three of my new 2t strimmers ? And my chain saw, perfect for 8byr is now playing up. I think the e10 eats the seals in small carbs on 2t machines. I will try blowing carb out on chainsaw, however once these things play up I rarely have a good outcome. The strimmers just get hard to start then won't idle so far 3 of them in 3 months, even Dealer can't get them to run properly and replaces them???? Last time I ran carb dry when I finished will be interesting to see. I use the same 2t oil as for 15 yr so wot else can it f be!!

old world rubber and ethanol is a nightmare.... it eats the stuff - don't let it near your wiper blades, or screen seals - on carbs and fuel taps its game over - and on old stuff parts are often unobtainium now

that's the game, trash the planet ever faster for corporate profit (to fund AI and von neumann machine development) - when the planet's nearly finished kill the slaves - as you've already had their money and you need what's left of the planet for yourself - the future's bright - just not for many of you....

 

[ajlsl600]

old world rubber and ethanol is a nightmare.... it eats the stuff - don't let it near your wiper blades, or screen seals - on carbs and fuel taps its game over - and on old stuff parts are often unobtainium now

that's the game, trash the planet ever faster for corporate profit (to fund AI and von neumann machine development) - when the planet's nearly finished kill the slaves - as you've already had their money and you need what's left of the planet for yourself - the future's bright - just not for many of you....

Happy days..

 

[ajlsl600]

You could be right.
I have always used E5 petrol (Shel V-Power) in my Husqvarna strimmer, leaf blower, hedge trimmer, and lawnmower and never had an issue in 15 years or more.

Not seen e5 here. But then have not really looked, now I will lots of tree stuff to cut this winter.

 

[Botus]

E10 fuels

Bikes are a much rawer experience than a car. Cars have everything so rubber mounted and with so slop in the drive train, the engine can be doing somersaults and feel OK. Thus on a bike you can feel the impact of rubbish fuel far more easily. Their performance, power to weight ratio etc. is up there the other side of most super-cars, yet also far more accessible than a car - as they are 1/6 of the size you get much more room on the road to straighten a line or miss things etc. And the physics of a bike means a lot of maneuvering isn't impacted by gravity trying to throw 1500kg of lead in a ditch

Whenever I took my 2007 BM bike to Europe from 2011 onwards - (at the time) you obviously got there on E0 UK petrol - but as bike petrol tank's are small you soon needed to buy locally available fuels - where you would often find most pumps only sold E10 - and the bike would start to object right away...

...adaptions 'might' be part of the fun in this bit here (but must also remember this bike was not specifically made to cope with E10): I only found out in the last couple of years vehicle adaptions only operate when the vehicle is std. And the whole engine management system is in standard functioning condition... So when I deliberately disconnected the CAT sensor to allow an aftermarket electronic device to post vehicle engine map, correct the fueling - by re interpreting manu emission stds that would cause the bike to stall and fall over, and retrospectively fix it so it was safe to ride... That change means the adaptions become turned off

With E10, idle went rough and weird, and it would stall a lot. And you have to alter your riding style and throttle application a lot - over many miles on the wrong side of the road you become used to riding differently - However I was often with other slow mates, so any performance change was harder to judge - until the trip home, where you end up more and more on your own and eventually are back with road conditions, driver behaviour and cameras you know about - so you get to exercise the bike more readily - where upon you realise its much slower, far more recalcitrant and not running correctly...

Then you'd stop for UK E0 petrol and the bike went mad (in a good way) - the same adpated throttle setting and unknowingly with the engine back to its potentail, it meant you'd leave the petrol station wheelieing everywhere and riding like a crazed lunatic - the idle was perfect and the bike was happy...

Now I find that same bike on UK E10 death fuel likes BP97 and dipetane - before it runs correctly

 

[Botus]

UK ESSO E5 was in certain geographic locations (most) ALWAYS E0 fuel, (it was UK law than meant all UK super unleaded pumps display a sticker saying E5 - not that any brands were obligated to put any Ethanol rot in there). However this year that all changed - when you checked their website, from Easter 2023 it was saying by Sept 2023 those E0 locations were changing and UK wide ESSO 99 will then be anything from maybe E0 to likely up to E5

On many youtube videos lots like to test the death content supplied by most vendors - when I last saw a Super Unleaded review none had more than 3% and the best were at 1% or less - oddly with Asda consitentley having the least !!! but that was 2 years back...

 

[ajlsl600]

So. Shud I look for diptane to at to my 2 stroke mix? Three strimmer and one chainsaw, it's got to be fuel? They all ran great for the first week or so, so somethings f them up I ensure fuel is clean and I can't have got crud into all 4 machines the mix is 1 lt at a time. If anything I slightly over oil, I like to see strokes produce a little smoke reminds me that I did at 2t. Tried mineral, semi and synthetic don't notice difference, cept on receipt!

 

[bladecrazy]

running my petrol blower, strimmer and chainsaw has seen no problems with e10 , same with honda 4 stroke power washer but my 1973 honda hasnt faired so well, stripped down to find exhaust valve has burnt through.

 

[Blobcat]

So. Shud I look for diptane to at to my 2 stroke mix? Three strimmer and one chainsaw, it's got to be fuel? They all ran great for the first week or so, so somethings f them up I ensure fuel is clean and I can't have got crud into all 4 machines the mix is 1 lt at a time. If anything I slightly over oil, I like to see strokes produce a little smoke reminds me that I did at 2t. Tried mineral, semi and synthetic don't notice difference, cept on receipt!

The below is recommended - not cheap but then again neither are new chainsaws and strimmers…

STIHL 5 Litre Moto4Plus 4 Stroke Fuel - up to 5 years shelf life!!

Power tool petrol developed specifically for STIHL small 4-stroke engines. User and engine-friendly thanks to fewer emissions .Free from ethanol; almost no olefins or aromatic compounds. Keep in storage for up to five years. Reliable, top performance. STIHL Moto4Plus is the ideal fuel for STIHL...

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[Botus]

So. Shud I look for diptane to at to my 2 stroke mix? Three strimmer and one chainsaw, it's got to be fuel? They all ran great for the first week or so, so somethings f them up I ensure fuel is clean and I can't have got crud into all 4 machines the mix is 1 lt at a time. If anything I slightly over oil, I like to see strokes produce a little smoke reminds me that I did at 2t. Tried mineral, semi and synthetic don't notice difference, cept on receipt!

the mix u use is unclear to me -
modern oils
40 to 1 (2.5% oil) is normal for modern bikes,
25 to 1 (4% oil) is often too much and it also alters the AF mixture (to rich)

interesting point on dipetane - I guess would need to ask them - I expect its safe - but a nuisance if not https://dipetane.com/contact-us/

 

[LostKiwi]

I wonder about that fuel. Dealer has so far replaced three of my new 2t strimmers ? And my chain saw, perfect for 8byr is now playing up. I think the e10 eats the seals in small carbs on 2t machines. I will try blowing carb out on chainsaw, however once these things play up I rarely have a good outcome. The strimmers just get hard to start then won't idle so far 3 of them in 3 months, even Dealer can't get them to run properly and replaces them???? Last time I ran carb dry when I finished will be interesting to see. I use the same 2t oil as for 15 yr so wot else can it f be!!

The only thing I've found is the chainsaw and old strimmer are both very sensitive to the correct oil mix. If its not 40:1 they just won't run properly at all.

Bother petrol 4 strokes don't care less. The small one always starts first or second pull.
The ride on always starts first turn of the key (as long as the battery hasn't gone flat).

As for the 129 and Smart Smart is now 5 years with the same fuel in the tank and nearly empty. It still starts first push of the button and runs and idles though is a bit down on power but not a huge amount. Last trip the 129 needed a few gallons as the fuel was near empty but again it started before the top up and ran well.
I've hardly used the 230 this year (it's on the naughty step having had an SBC pump and then thrown a hissy fit about the ABC pump). Gets started every few weeks but not driven far. Still got same fuel from 6 months ago. Still starts and runs fine.

 

[ajlsl600]

I have drained the yanks on all. I will try again with old mineral oil mix see wot happens. Its a pain having to mess, about on a cold morning. I will look at 4 stroke strimmer next time. Never had any previous issues

 

[Oldspanners]

I run 2 stroke chainsaws (3 of) ,1 hedge cutter, 1 lawnmower and strimmer both Subaru 4 stroke and a 240V generator on a mixture of E10 and what ever 2 stroke oil I find (scooter, bike or garden), the 4 stroke can be either E5 or 10 and usually leave them with the fuel over winter (because I'm either too lazy or forgetful to drain them) and since the intrusion of E I haven't had a problem especially with the 4 strokes. Saying that has probably scuppered any chance of anything working ever again.
Having had the pain of running high performance engines in the past I "think" the margins of operation of lesser engines allow quite a wide band, either I otherwise maintain these machines differently, again unlikely or I don't use them enough to encounter the problems others have.
The main use is of course the car which I think does run better and give better consumption on the better fuel but as I haven't been hammering the tarmac recently this is just anecdotal.