Installing a aftermarket radio system

[Nic_s81]

Good day to all

I’ve been trying to figure out, wether my CLK (W208) has a 2 din or a 1 din.

As the original owner paid for a lot of the options which one was the sat nav system with the radio and telephone, but the current problem with it is it won’t turn on.
If anyone has any idea what is it would be appreciated.

Nicolás

 

[M80]

Do you get anything on the screen, like the MB logo?

 

[Nic_s81]

Do you get anything on the screen, like the MB logo?

No I don’t get nothing even touching the on button

 

[Botus]

Good day to all

I’ve been trying to figure out, wether my CLK (W208) has a 2 din or a 1 din.


Nicolás

single din is the height of old world radios, double din, is twice the height of a stock radio... so its double din unit,

if I'm not mistaken this era was some wild networked stuff, that was odd and usually ran from a unit that liked to take a bath at the back of the car... I suspect your network has taken the whole lot down and MIGHT be due to a single unit you can loop out and or replace - but u need to have the bits to swap out one by one (to locate the offender)...

might be

COMAND 2 Comand 2 is the collective name for COMAND 2.5, COMAND 2,0 and COMAND 2.0 MOPF. These are further described below in date order of their first appearance on Mercedes Benz vehicles. COMAND2.5 COMAND was originally introduced in the S Class (W220) Mercedes Benz in around 1998 and then in the CL (W215) when it was launched. The unit ended up known as COMAND 2.5 because it was physically 2.5 Din units high. In Europe it used Teleatlas map disks, and internally it was sometimes called 'C' type COMAND. I have no idea what A and B type were. In late 1999 the system was upgraded to 'D' type and then after a software upgrade it was able to read the better DX type disks. This happened at chassis number A078551 for the S class (W220) and chassis number A001434 for the CL. The systems all had a Casette drive, a CD drive purely for the Navigation disk, FM/AM tuner, in-built 4 channel amplifer (left/right for front & rear)and TV inputs (although it is not clear whether the C type COMAND ever worked with the TV tuner as it was only made to work sometime after the vehicles were inititally launched if you had ordered the TV pre-wiring. The Navigation section (with CD drive) was actually a completely seperate of the COMAND connected to the rest of it by a cable. COMAND 2 has a fibre optic network called D2B (developed by C&C electronics and partially by Philips Electronics NV. It is used to pass audio and control the optional CD changer, Telephone system, voice recognition system (known as linguatronic or VCS) and the premium amplifier made by Bose. The units were made by Bosch. (who also own Blaupunkt), although the other units on the D2B bus were made by other manafacturers since D2B is a reasonably open standard. The Mercedes 'option' code for COMAND 2.5 (and 2.0) is 352 In Model Year 2003, the S/CL COMAND was replaced by COMAND 2.0 MOPF (see below), and in Model Year 2004 the S/CL COMAND was replaced by COMAND-APS. The DX map disks currenlty only support 5 digit post codes in the UK. COMAND 2.0 COMAND 2.0 is the same technology as the D type COMAND 2.5 except that everything is in one double-din height device, the casette drive was removed (and an AUX input added) and the navigation drive could also be used for audio CD. Again the COMAND is made by Bosch, and the Mercedes option code is 352. The units (after an early life software upgrade in 2000) use DX type mapping CDs. These devices first appeared on the W210 E class, and then on the W208 C class. These were rectangular units. After that they appeared on the W163 ML (2001), W203 C class, W209 CLK, W463 G class, R230 S class. The last 4 types were curvy units, but the R230 class unit was shaped differently and has more detailed mapping ability. The initial W210 units used discrete wiring to obtain ignition, lights, reversing (backup) and speed signal. They did not support connection to the car's CANbus network and can be identified easily because the telephone keypad does not have letters on it. When the facelift W210 was released with steering wheel controls then the units connected to the CANbus and required only a discrete speed signal connection and used CANbus network for the other signals mentioned above.

http://www.mercupgrades.com/comand+++all+about+the+different+mercedes+comand+systems-article-54.html

see if the data card comes out after inputting chassis number here

https://www.lastvin.com/ go slow use a modern browser and do the captcha

 

[Nic_s81]

single din is the height of old world radios, double din, is twice the height of a stock radio... so its double din unit,

if I'm not mistaken this era was some wild networked stuff, that was odd and usually ran from a unit that liked to take a bath at the back of the car... I suspect your network has taken the whole lot down and MIGHT be due to a single unit you can loop out and or replace - but u need to have the bits to swap out one by one (to locate the offender)...

might be

COMAND 2 Comand 2 is the collective name for COMAND 2.5, COMAND 2,0 and COMAND 2.0 MOPF. These are further described below in date order of their first appearance on Mercedes Benz vehicles. COMAND2.5 COMAND was originally introduced in the S Class (W220) Mercedes Benz in around 1998 and then in the CL (W215) when it was launched. The unit ended up known as COMAND 2.5 because it was physically 2.5 Din units high. In Europe it used Teleatlas map disks, and internally it was sometimes called 'C' type COMAND. I have no idea what A and B type were. In late 1999 the system was upgraded to 'D' type and then after a software upgrade it was able to read the better DX type disks. This happened at chassis number A078551 for the S class (W220) and chassis number A001434 for the CL. The systems all had a Casette drive, a CD drive purely for the Navigation disk, FM/AM tuner, in-built 4 channel amplifer (left/right for front & rear)and TV inputs (although it is not clear whether the C type COMAND ever worked with the TV tuner as it was only made to work sometime after the vehicles were inititally launched if you had ordered the TV pre-wiring. The Navigation section (with CD drive) was actually a completely seperate of the COMAND connected to the rest of it by a cable. COMAND 2 has a fibre optic network called D2B (developed by C&C electronics and partially by Philips Electronics NV. It is used to pass audio and control the optional CD changer, Telephone system, voice recognition system (known as linguatronic or VCS) and the premium amplifier made by Bose. The units were made by Bosch. (who also own Blaupunkt), although the other units on the D2B bus were made by other manafacturers since D2B is a reasonably open standard. The Mercedes 'option' code for COMAND 2.5 (and 2.0) is 352 In Model Year 2003, the S/CL COMAND was replaced by COMAND 2.0 MOPF (see below), and in Model Year 2004 the S/CL COMAND was replaced by COMAND-APS. The DX map disks currenlty only support 5 digit post codes in the UK. COMAND 2.0 COMAND 2.0 is the same technology as the D type COMAND 2.5 except that everything is in one double-din height device, the casette drive was removed (and an AUX input added) and the navigation drive could also be used for audio CD. Again the COMAND is made by Bosch, and the Mercedes option code is 352. The units (after an early life software upgrade in 2000) use DX type mapping CDs. These devices first appeared on the W210 E class, and then on the W208 C class. These were rectangular units. After that they appeared on the W163 ML (2001), W203 C class, W209 CLK, W463 G class, R230 S class. The last 4 types were curvy units, but the R230 class unit was shaped differently and has more detailed mapping ability. The initial W210 units used discrete wiring to obtain ignition, lights, reversing (backup) and speed signal. They did not support connection to the car's CANbus network and can be identified easily because the telephone keypad does not have letters on it. When the facelift W210 was released with steering wheel controls then the units connected to the CANbus and required only a discrete speed signal connection and used CANbus network for the other signals mentioned above.

http://www.mercupgrades.com/comand+++all+about+the+different+mercedes+comand+systems-article-54.html

see if the data card comes out after inputting chassis number here

https://www.lastvin.com/ go slow use a modern browser and do the captcha

I’ll give this a try I never thought about this but then it’s my first CLK so I didn’t know thank you, since we’re on the subject what type of stereo system would you recommend been thinking of changing it?

 

[RhodieBill]

Hi, and welcome.....
You see that little Red LED just above and to the left of the Eject Button, does that flash when you lock the car - might take a few seconds to initiate.
It should flash even if the unit is u/s. If it isn't then no power is getting to the Unit. Check the Fuse, might be more than one. If all the Fuses are OK it could be the Fuse located in the Rear of the Unit itself, usually a 10Amp Blade Fuse.
To remove the Unit I think you have to remove the Heater Unit above or the Ashtray - do a search on YouTube.
But as a replacement it would be better to buy a working S/H one. Failing that it will be a Double-Din.
Good luck.

 

[Nic_s81]

So when locking the car on the tow alarm is flashing then when I enter the EC light stays on so I think I need to check all of the fuses, in order to remove the stereo there’s to slots to remove the system on each side

 

[Botus]

I'd set a target in time and money to fix whats there

remembering
NO DAB or DAB+ (we all want the + as old DAB is obsolete and on last legs with legacy fading support on broadcast material)
NO BT Phone
NO BT Music streaming
Last SAT NAV maps were 2014, so now 8 year's out of date
NO Traffic info
Should sound better and work and last 10 years longer than any android trash

alternatively
Android trash is cheap and gives all of the toys above.
Wiring it up could be easy, if you do it all your way and expect nothing of the steering wheel or center speedo to show anything
Wiring up to do all merc did, may take you the rest of your life trying to get merc OLD canbus to argue correctly with Android OS

there's orig out of a w203 for 65 quid - bargain

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[RhodieBill]

So when locking the car on the tow alarm is flashing then when I enter the EC light stays on so I think I need to check all of the fuses, in order to remove the stereo there’s to slots to remove the system on each side

That Red LED just shows that The Alarm is Activated, but it should also flash on the Red LED at the Top-Right of the Head Unit by the Eject Button.
The EC LED flashing signifies the A/C is OFF. When the LED is off it signifies the A/C is Active. (Press the EC Button, or the Rapid Defrost, the button at the top next to the Red Increase Heat Button, or the Auto Buttons. That should turn the A/C on and that Red EC Light will go off - or should do).

Sorry yes, you need a Special Flat Tool, (you can get them on Ebay). You just insert both sides then pull out the Unit. It will have a couple of Plugs at the Rear as well as a 10A Fuse. Check that one aswell).

 

[Nic_s81]

I'd set a target in time and money to fix whats there

remembering
NO DAB or DAB+ (we all want the + as old DAB is obsolete and on last legs with legacy fading support on broadcast material)
NO BT Phone
NO BT Music streaming
Last SAT NAV maps were 2014, so now 8 year's out of date
NO Traffic info
Should sound better and work and last 10 years longer than any android trash

alternatively
Android trash is cheap and gives all of the toys above.
Wiring it up could be easy, if you do it all your way and expect nothing of the steering wheel or center speedo to show anything
Wiring up to do all merc did, may take you the rest of your life trying to get merc OLD canbus to argue correctly with Android OS

there's orig out of a w203 for 65 quid - bargain

Car Stereos & Head Units for Mercedes-Benz CLK for sale | eBay

Buy Car Stereos & Head Units for Mercedes-Benz CLK and get the best deals at the lowest prices on eBay! Great Savings & Free Delivery / Collection on many items

www.ebay.co.uk

That’s the thing I don’t want a android one, I hope to find a apple one as they run better and are a cleaner look, only problem I’ve got is finding one that’ll work.

As well where I’m in Spain a lot has changed in the last 10 years so I’d need new maps with traffic report but of course good music but I’ll be driving to Holland a lot

 

[Nic_s81]

That Red LED just shows that The Alarm is Activated, but it should also flash on the Red LED at the Top-Right of the Head Unit by the Eject Button.
The EC LED flashing signifies the A/C is OFF. When the LED is off it signifies the A/C is Active. (Press the EC Button, or the Rapid Defrost, the button at the top next to the Red Increase Heat Button, or the Auto Buttons. That should turn the A/C on and that Red EC Light will go off - or should do).

Sorry yes, you need a Special Flat Tool, (you can get them on Ebay). You just insert both sides then pull out the Unit. It will have a couple of Plugs at the Rear as well as a 10A Fuse. Check that one aswell).

I was thinking of seeing if I could find one or I make the tool since here, as if it’s a fuse that’s on the back not really worth buying the tool

 

[AnthonyUK]

That’s the thing I don’t want a android one, I hope to find a apple one as they run better and are a cleaner look, only problem I’ve got is finding one that’ll work.

As well where I’m in Spain a lot has changed in the last 10 years so I’d need new maps with traffic report but of course good music but I’ll be driving to Holland a lot

You won’t find an Apple one as they do not exist. What you can have though is an Android unit with an Apple CarPlay adapter, either wired or wireless.

With the adapters you only run one app to connect to your iPhone and then it just mirrors your phone.

 

[Nic_s81]

You won’t find an Apple one as they do not exist. What you can have though is an Android unit with an Apple CarPlay adapter, either wired or wireless.

With the adapters you only run one app to connect to your iPhone and then it just mirrors your phone.

So which unit would you recommend to get or the best one suited for it?

One that can fit in the space

 

[Botus]

this is the make of the best Android one's I've heard of (even gets a UK manu website) - didn't spot w208 specifically...

Erisin ES6963C 8-Core Android 10.0 Car Stereo GPS SatNav Mercedes Benz C/CLK/G Class W203 W209 Vito Viano 4G WiFi Bluetooth CarPlay

Octa Core, 4GB RAM and 64GB ROM, Support Apple CarPlay module, Android 10.0 OS, 1024*600 HD, Support extended 2 Card/3 USB Stick up to 5*128GB, Bluetooth, DAB+,TPMS,DVR,DVB-T2,WiFi,4G,Steering Wheel Control

www.erisin.co.uk

Key Features:
- Android 10.0 OS, Octa Core, 4GB RAM and 64GB ROM, 2 Card/4 USB up to 6*128GB extended Storage.
- Can-bus Decoder Box (which costs at least USD 45 in the market) will in parcel content included.
- Built-in Bluetooth module, which supports hands-free function with A2DP Audio Streaming.
- Built-in GPS Module, which supports offline GPS Navigation, GPS function ready to use.
- Built-in WiFi Module for Internet, you can Link mobile hotspot to use Google online Navigation.
- Built-in Android Multimedia Player, can play Music/Video/Photo from local Disc or USB/TF.
- Built-in DVD, USB, TF, Radio, RDS, WiFi, Clock, Calculator, Calendar.
- Support CarPlay, DAB+, DVB-T/T2, TPMS, OBD2, DVR, Camera, AVIN, 3G, 4G etc. extended functions.
- Support Mirror Link with iPhone via WiFi and with Android Smartphone via USB or WiFi.
- Support steering wheel control, easier and safer to adjust volume, answer calls and switch the songs while driving.
- Support panel light colors adjustment, many RGB-colors can be chosen.
- Support Split Screen, you can run two apps side by side.
Compatible Models & Years:
- Mercedes Benz C-Class W203 S203 2000-2005
(C180 C200 C220 C230 C240 C250 C270 C280 C300 C320 C350 C32 AMG C55 AMG C63 AMG)
- Mercedes Benz CLK C209 W209 1998-2004.5
(CLK200 CLK220 CLK240 CLK270 CLK280 CLK320 CLK350 CLK430 CLK500 CLK550 CLK55 AMG CLK63 AMG)
- Mercedes Benz Viano & Vito W639 2004-2006.1
- Mercedes Benz G-Class W463 1998-2006.1

like all these one can do everything but its addons

CarPlay & Auto
- Built-in: No, need to buy a USB CarPlay & Auto Dongle to use this function

DAB(+)-IN
- Built-in DAB Player App: Yes, just connect a DAB+ Box to use this function

every single one on Ebay says DAB but its not on any android unit (its an add on tuner for pennies (when all they need to do is put a 10p chip inside)

 

[AnthonyUK]

I have the earlier version of the above without CarPlay which has been fine for 3+ years.
It was plug and play using the supplied cable looms in a w203.
It is the same size as a COMAND 2.0 unit.

 

[Droverunner]

I am very resistant to swapping out my Command ntg2.5 unit... but the above for £200... it's a thought.

 

[AnthonyUK]

I am very resistant to swapping out my Command ntg2.5 unit... but the above for £200... it's a thought.

If you something that is much closer to current tech levels with up to date maps etc it is a great option.

 

[Droverunner]

Any difference... better or worse... in the volume level and sound quality. Does it play DVDs?

 

[Botus]

I am very resistant to swapping out my Command ntg2.5 unit... but the above for £200... it's a thought.

they had some at £87

Erisin Car DVD Player, Car GPS Navigation, Autoradio, Car Stereo, Car Multimedia System, Car Radio

Car DVD Player, Car GPS Navigation, Car GPS Sat, Car Stereo, Car Multimedia, Car Radio, autoradio,GPS SAT NAV

www.erisin.co.uk

 

[AnthonyUK]

Any difference... better or worse... in the volume level and sound quality. Does it play DVDs?

It sounds better, is plenty load enough and plays anything.
The current models have a DSP for even better sound.
If you have Bose or Harman Kardon you will need to do some more research to check compatibility.