Jinyu YU63 Tyres

[Frontstep]

OK.......so which manufacturer fits Ling Long as OEM? Still waiting

I will start you with GMC and Volkswagen (but not in europe yet) don't expect to see them tearing round on a Porsche but time will tell.

If you read my other posts you will see who they manufacture tyres for.
They are a huge company and at present they are dumping their product in europe as their huge factories come on line.

Some more reading http://www.tyrepress.com/tag/shandong-linglong/

 

[Boxbrownie]

Yes I read all the bumf on the Ling Long site, but never saw any reference to them being an OEM supplier.

No matter............Porsche? I don't even expect to see them tearing around on a VW Polo any time soon either

 

[Rotorhead500]

From bitter experience, in two different industry sectors, I've found the Chinese manufacturers very good for the first 3-6 months.

Typically until the customer relaxes and reduces oversight. At that point, raw materials get resourced locally, material grades subtly change, components get resourced to local companies, etc, and invariably quality goes through the floor.

In the most recent sector, there have been several cases of blatant plagiarism of a design (to the extent of leaving the base of a company logo in a casting), but with a rudimentary attempt to "make it their own" (and presumably circumvent IPR), by making a few small tweaks to the internal design - in this particular case, a regulator, and they changed the gas flow profiles by doing so... It failed all approval testing because they weren't the design authority, and clearly had no understanding of the product.

I know a great many products are manufactured in China these days, and no doubt I have / have had some of them. However, I am reluctant to buy direct from a Chinese company given various experiences - I'd rather buy from a known brand, who have a reputation to lose, who hopefully keep a check on output quality.

I'm trying to get my client company to either avoid Chinese manufacture now, or conduct random and frequent type testing, including material analysis, to protect ourselves.

The laugh of it is, my colleague had several run-ins with them when he worked at Ford (and again on contract at Aston Martin), and their solution to 2 quality issues being investigated was to stop supply..... And then the tooling rocked up with no warning on a truck one day because they decided they didn't want to play anymore! :lol:

Oh, and contracts seem to mean nothing, either!

 

[Christian]

I'd never heard of Jinyu until now, can't find a proper tyre test with them just punter feedback about the YU61 on tyre reviews which is as about as painful (and useful*) as reading youtube comments! FWIW i've experienced various cheapnese ditchfinders when buying an old car or a set of 2nd hand wheels and while they've all 'worked' provided you don't use the throttle pedal as a switch they've all pretty much ruined what's supposed to be a 'premium' car... noisy, poor ride, noisy, horrible in the wet, noisy etc

Dunno what size you're looking for but FWIW i fitted a set of 225/45r17 91Y Goodyear F1 assymetric 2 to my s124 last autumn. Soooo much quieter than the Conti sport contacts they replaced, better ride and about £15ea cheaper at the time too IIRC. Granted some of the noise and ride thing would've been due to new versus old but they transformed the old barge far more than i expected.
There's plenty of others about that are usually giving the [strike]premium[/strike] expensive brands a hard time in tyre tests while selling for less. Dunlop, as mentioned, are usually competitively priced especially considering they've been overall winners on several tyre tests recently. There's also Hankook, Bridgestone, Vredestein, Kuhmo, Falken, Avon, Firestone and probably a bunch of others i've missed out that'll all probably offer a better balance of cost versus performance/refinement

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/88478/tyre-reviews-best-tyres-2014-2015 The Hankook that came fourth (between Pirelli and Conti) is priced about midway between the Jinyu and Pirelli etc from a cursory glance at the internet

* For example one illiterate monkey gave them 87% based on 0 miles driven because they were cheaper than the Goodyear which "blew up when i drove normal speed"

All the chinese crap flooded UK. Wonder why you will never find these tyres in Germany.

 

[Boxbrownie]

The laugh of it is, my colleague had several run-ins with them when he worked at Ford (and again on contract at Aston Martin), and their solution to 2 quality issues being investigated was to stop supply..... And then the tooling rocked up with no warning on a truck one day because they decided they didn't want to play anymore! :lol:

Oh, and contracts seem to mean nothing, either!

I had exactly the same experience working for the same group, traveled to China to "investigate and support" a supplier.....this is about the only image I can show, it was the lubricant for machining.......SOAPY WATER!

 

[Christian]

OK so I'm once again hunting around for tyres..... the pleasure of owning an E320 CDI with loads of torque.

I've been trawling the net and was set on buying a set of either Pirelli Cinturato or Continental 5's.... and then I saw some reviews on Jinyu YU63's.

I'm in a dilemma, please help...... the two Jinyu's come in at around 130 fitted, the two Pirelli's/Continentals come in at around 250 fitted.

What do I do, has anyone fitted these Jinyu's, are they as good as the reviews say they are?

TIA

I wouldn't even dream of changing or spending less money on tyres like Jinyu even they're for FREE. Car tyres means 1st means for safety. I do not want to die because I can save money on some rubber and certainly not do not want to kill someone because my tyres failed to brake.

Clearly not a dilemma here. or is it !?

 

[Frontstep]

All the chinese crap flooded UK. Wonder why you will never find these tyres in Germany.

Quite simply you do,

If you look at the tyres on the cars on our streets now with some very famous brands such as Dunlop they are made in the Chinese Shandong Ling Long factory.
I posted above a list of tyre plants which are identified by the first two digits on your tyre code.
Many well known brands are manufactured in far eastern plants.

Michelin perhaps the most famous manufacture in China
http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20130213/NEWS/130219985/michelin-plant-in-china-opens

Bridgestone manufacture in China

http://www.bridgestone.com/corporate/news/2013102901.htm

Continental manufacture in China

http://www.continental-tires.com/www/tires_de_en/themes/news/meldungen/pr_2011_05_18_hefei_en.html


There is a lot of misinformed tosh about tyres.

 

[Ricardo_e220]

I wouldn't even dream of changing or spending less money on tyres like Jinyu even they're for FREE. Car tyres means 1st means for safety. I do not want to die because I can save money on some rubber and certainly not do not want to kill someone because my tyres failed to brake.

Clearly not a dilemma here. or is it !?

Somewhat of an extreme overreaction that... Consider that the tyres have to pass uk safety tests etc...

I think if you look 90% of cars will be running what you personally would consider budget and therefore death traps.

But then consider most post office vehicles will be running cheap crap tyres, almost all trucks will be running remoulds as will buses...

I'm not generally a fan of cheap ones as they tend to grip less well in the wet, but equally I don't think that something like a Michelin is necessarily worth double the price of something middle of the price bracket...

Also if you want to drive with your trousers on fire all the time then you need the tyres to go with it.. If you want to potter ( and recognise that your tyres mightn't stop as quickly ) then drive accordingly.

I have middle of road ( Avon ) and budget ( nexen) and on a 2.5tn motorway muncher I can't tell the difference to the michelin (£120 each) I had to fit in an emergency for a french trip when the planes were off.

My lotus has specialist yokohama ad08r tyres.. I drive it hard and fast and do track days... I spend the money accordingly...

 

[Boxbrownie]

There is a lot of misinformed tosh about tyres.

There certainly is.........virtually all tyres are made for local markets, saves a fortune on shipping of course.

Lets have a poll.......I have three sets of tyres, Toyo's made in Japan as the vehicle was made in Japan, Nokian......made in Finland, Bridgestone (Japanese Tyre) made in Spain vehicle made in Spain.

Anyone here got Micherins, Dunrops or Goodrears on their cars with a "made in China" on the sidewall?

:grin:

 

[Boxbrownie]

Continental manufacture in China

http://www.continental-tires.com/www/tires_de_en/themes/news/meldungen/pr_2011_05_18_hefei_en.html


There is a lot of misinformed tosh about tyres.

From the Conti site news

"The new high technology facility will have an annual production capacity of four million passenger tires, which will be sold in the local Chinese and Asian market"

 

[hotrodder]

Ling long manufacture tyres for Goodyear Dunlop etc and are number 3 in China and growing.


If you look at the sidewall of your tyres and take the first two digits off the tyre code that will tell you the plant it was manufactured in.
You might be in for a suprise.

Clearly different things are cooked in the same plant but its worth a look.


http://www.carbibles.com/tyremanufacturercodes.html

I'm not suprised various European brands are manufactured all over the world. I'm not suprised some of the Chinese manufactured examples find their way to Europe but (as said) i would've thought it's as much, probably more about local supply etc than outsourcing in the name of more profit and risking hard won reputations?

FWIW i've just been and looked at the Goodyears on the daily driver... supplied by Camskill last October, the sidewall bears the legend made in Germany and the DOT code is ND (Philipsburg Bruchsal, Germany) 7R JBJR for all 4 of 'em with manufacture dates of 3614 and 3714. Camskill sent out two 'matched' pairs based on the circumferential run out bands

Haven't clicked all the links in this thread but google linglong volkswagen which returned

MTD: Is supplying original equipment tires to vehicle manufacturers part of your strategy?

Wang: Right now, we’re doing business with GM in China and also Ford in China. We are in discussions with other car companies on several projects. One of them is with Renault in Russia. We are also talking with GM and Ford in America and GM in Korea. In China, we are in the planning stages with Volkswagen and Fiat. The majority of our OE business will be the Linglong brand.

quoted from http://www.moderntiredealer.com/channel/retailing/article/story/2014/11/shandong-linglong-tire-update.aspx which is from Nov last year

Linglong are quite famous for their "research and devolpment" http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20100719/NEWS/307199998

 

[John Laidlaw]

From bitter experience, in two different industry sectors, I've found the Chinese manufacturers very good for the first 3-6 months.

Typically until the customer relaxes and reduces oversight. At that point, raw materials get resourced locally, material grades subtly change, components get resourced to local companies, etc, and invariably quality goes through the floor.

In the most recent sector, there have been several cases of blatant plagiarism of a design (to the extent of leaving the base of a company logo in a casting), but with a rudimentary attempt to "make it their own" (and presumably circumvent IPR), by making a few small tweaks to the internal design - in this particular case, a regulator, and they changed the gas flow profiles by doing so... It failed all approval testing because they weren't the design authority, and clearly had no understanding of the product

I know a great many products are manufactured in China these days, and no doubt I have / have had some of them. However, I am reluctant to buy direct from a Chinese company given various experiences - I'd rather buy from a known brand, who have a reputation to lose, who hopefully keep a check on output quality.

I'm trying to get my client company to either avoid Chinese manufacture now, or conduct random and frequent type testing, including material analysis, to protect ourselves.

The laugh of it is, my colleague had several run-ins with them when he worked at Ford (and again on contract at Aston Martin), and their solution to 2 quality issues being investigated was to stop supply..... And then the tooling rocked up with no warning on a truck one day because they decided they didn't want to play anymore! :lol:

Oh, and contracts seem to mean nothing, either!

I have very similar experiences. One of our top end high criticality products was 'copied' (right down to our brand ) and sold into Malaysia where it promptly failed. I was called to witness and explain what had gone wrong with 'our' product- imagine the surprise from the end user when I proved it was fake!
Rubber goods are especially prone to what you have mentioned here- first 3-6 months great, then the so called producers just throw any old crap swept up off the floor into the rubber mouldiing tools or extruders....

 

[Rotorhead500]

... i would've thought it's as much, probably more about local supply etc than outsourcing in the name of more profit and risking hard won reputations?

I really wouldn't bet on that bit!

Automotive tends to be pretty clued up when it comes to process management, quality, extended supply chains, etc, and understand the total cost of quality, not just in fiscal cost, but also to reputations..... But they are still prone to accountants. (Sorry to any accountants here!)

As much as it pains me (concerns me?) to say it, the above is exactly why a VP heading a procurement function in one of the places I work, has been vigorously pursuing overseas (read, China) sourcing... and for safety critical parts. It is purely to chase annual savings targets, with a complete lack of understanding of the knock-on affect to quality, whole-life costs and so forth. :-(

 

[JBell]

As much as it pains me (concerns me?) to say it, the above is exactly why a VP heading a procurement function in one of the places I work, has been vigorously pursuing overseas (read, China) sourcing... and for safety critical parts. It is purely to chase annual savings targets, with a complete lack of understanding of the knock-on affect to quality, whole-life costs and so forth. :-(

A large car maker in Germany tried that a few years ago, it's now cost them millions in warranty repairs

 

[Rotorhead500]

Spent many a happy year at JLR supporting the "strategic outsourcing" of our supply chain (either directly, or monitoring our Tier 1 suppliers), further and further afield...

Within 5 years or so, I was in a slightly different role and trying to find process/manufacturing & Quality engineers to support the relocation of critical parts back in to the UK / Europe!

Not just for quality of parts, but shorter transit times and costs, more closely aligned holidays, etc.

Can't get the current bunch to learn from many previous attempts to tread this path... They seem quite intent on reinventing the wheel in their own sweet time!

 

[eman]

Spent many a happy year at JLR supporting the "strategic outsourcing" of our supply chain (either directly, or monitoring our Tier 1 suppliers), further and further afield...

Within 5 years or so, I was in a slightly different role and trying to find process/manufacturing & Quality engineers to support the relocation of critical parts back in to the UK / Europe!

Not just for quality of parts, but shorter transit times and costs, more closely aligned holidays, etc.

Can't get the current bunch to learn from many previous attempts to tread this path... They seem quite intent on reinventing the wheel in their own sweet time!

Have you seen what the Chinese have built. and sells for 14k.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Landwind+Car+Like+Evoque&FORM=RESTAB

 

[Rotorhead500]

Have you seen what the Chinese have built. and sells for 14k.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Landwind+Car+Like+Evoque&FORM=RESTAB

Yup... Looks/sounds about right! :lol:

 

[Frontstep]

There certainly is.........virtually all tyres are made for local markets, saves a fortune on shipping of course.

Lets have a poll.......I have three sets of tyres, Toyo's made in Japan as the vehicle was made in Japan, Nokian......made in Finland, Bridgestone (Japanese Tyre) made in Spain vehicle made in Spain.

Anyone here got Micherins, Dunrops or Goodrears on their cars with a "made in China" on the sidewall?

:grin:

You are looking a fool with that statement maybe you could have it removed if you ask.
Many famous tyre brands sold in this country will have made in China on their sidewalls

 

[television]

I have just been all over my new Michelin's and no where does it say where they are made

 

[Ricardo_e220]

Have you seen what the Chinese have built. and sells for 14k.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Landwind+Car+Like+Evoque&FORM=RESTAB

Like someone put it on the photocopier lol!