The saga is almost over - 2005, C220 CDI Classic SE, S203.208 (Estate), OM646.963 Engine

[NBurns]

And these.


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[d215yq]

I'm still not sure why you can't just reassemble it all again and then spin the wheels after a test drive. The disc may not be in the middle of the holder and it may not be perfect but I understand you are tight for time and money so if it all works when you put it together it will be fine for the MOT and may well, if the car gets proper use, work fine until the pads wear out completely.

 

[NBurns]

I'm still not sure why you can't just reassemble it all again and then spin the wheels after a test drive. The disc may not be in the middle of the holder and it may not be perfect but I understand you are tight for time and money so if it all works when you put it together it will be fine for the MOT and may well, if the car gets proper use, work fine until the pads wear out completely.

Because it failed due to binding brakes. And that could also potentially be causing bad fuel efficiency.



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[joderest]

Does the disc turn with out touching the bracket ?
If it does you could risk an MOT, and then sort out after, if it does not you will have to fix before hand.
All i can suggest is something like a 24 volt impact gun to get the bolts out, as you will have to to either sort out the issue or change the disc's.

 

[Botus]

It looks like the wheel bearing hasn't been fitted correctly into the hub and is sitting out too far.
This may have something to do with the wheel bearing being loose at the MOT.

ah I see it was mentioned before....

if the disc is fully seated on the hub clearance should be equal

 

[NBurns]

Does the disc turn with out touching the bracket ?
If it does you could risk an MOT, and then sort out after, if it does not you will have to fix before hand.
All i can suggest is something like a 24 volt impact gun to get the bolts out, as you will have to to either sort out the issue or change the disc's.

Already got the compressor air gun onto it won't budge. Next is a breaker bar.



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[NBurns]

ah I see it was mentioned before....

if the disc is fully seated on the hub clearance should be equal

Ah. Okay.
So do I need to get the hub off then after all?



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[umblecumbuz]

Already got the compressor air gun onto it won't budge. Next is a breaker bar.
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There are many types of compressor air guns - some are very low torque guns, not at all like the type that garages and tyre fitters use. The usual 'Ebay' domestic guns are very low powered,and would have difficulty removing the proverbial skin ....

 

[NBurns]

There are many types of compressor air guns - some are very low torque guns, not at all like the type that garages and tyre fitters use. The usual 'Ebay' domestic guns are very low powered,and would have difficulty removing the proverbial skin ....

It's an amtech gun. This one


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[umblecumbuz]

That one you'll find will not loosen a tight wheel nut.
Test? Try your gun first, then get a tyre fitter to do the same job!

 

[NBurns]

Does the disc turn with out touching the bracket ?
If it does you could risk an MOT, and then sort out after, if it does not you will have to fix before hand.
All i can suggest is something like a 24 volt impact gun to get the bolts out, as you will have to to either sort out the issue or change the disc's.

Nope



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[RhodieBill]

I still do not understand why this, let's be honest, "shed" wasn't scrapped months ago! Just throwing good money after bad..... Crazy!

 

[AMGeed]

I still do not understand why this, let's be honest, "shed" wasn't scrapped months ago! Just throwing good money after bad..... Crazy!

Normally I'd agree Bill. But the OP is working with all he has, and can afford. At the moment the car is unsaleable unless a scrap dealer takes it away for peanuts. If the car can be put together and MOT'd it may attract some interest and a car more suitable found.
Until then, I sympathize with the OP being in an awkward position and without funds to complete the work.

 

[d215yq]

I still do not understand why this, let's be honest, "shed" wasn't scrapped months ago! Just throwing good money after bad..... Crazy!

Only in the UK would you find this unhelpful attitude. There was a thread recently about a guy who needed to spend 900 pounds and similar fuss over a DRL headlight on a newer car and there have been many queries on here regarding far more serious problems than this car... The OP bought a cheap car with a fair few miles which is practical and fuel efficient and just needs a fair bit of TLC and a few quid to get it right for potentially a fair few more years of ecenomical reliable motoring. Plenty of life left in it with a bit of a long term view taken.

Essentially the OP is not helping matters by the many updates not making it clear if the bracket is stopping the wheel turning and part of the problem or is actually 0,5mm clear and thus not part of the binding...it also seems to be a bit of a sticking point finding a way to get it to a garage to get these bracket bolts off for a fiver but fair enough if he wants to solve the problem himself.

This "saga" aside it's essentially a car that needs at worst new front brake discs/pads/caliper service, a headlight leveller and a new tyre. It's hardly worth scrapping over such normal faults, and as the OP seems to have time, wants to learn how it works, and is getting something from the process then I can understand exactly why he's persevering...

 

[LostKiwi]

I still do not understand why this, let's be honest, "shed" wasn't scrapped months ago! Just throwing good money after bad..... Crazy!

Not really. It has simple to fix faults but the OP is cash strapped which makes it difficult. At the same time he's having to learn how to do things which under normal circumstances he may have just told the garage to do (as many on here would).
Frankly I admire his persistence and desire to learn and once this is complete he will surely exit this episode with a much better understanding of how to do things himself properly.

 

[NBurns]

Not really. It has simple to fix faults but the OP is cash strapped which makes it difficult. At the same time he's having to learn how to do things which under normal circumstances he may have just told the garage to do (as many on here would).
Frankly I admire his persistence and desire to learn and once this is complete he will surely exit this episode with a much better understanding of how to do things himself properly.

And to be honest the point at which I should have stopped was half way through last year. I have now gone too far to throw in the spanner so to speak. And yes both financially and mentally it has ground me down. However for some unknown reason I still, even when it's freezing cold outside, still get out there and work on her. Even though half of my new tools have gone 'missing'. Today, as i had to go home again to see my cat, I wondered why I even do what I am doing. I've got food poisoning somehow and so I've annoyingly had to stay away. As a veteran I am also seeking financial and mental health help for PTSD. Sometimes I wonder why I am still living. My son, my cat, my car and the distant thought of being solvent and happy keep me going.........just!!!!



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[pgh13]

ah I see it was mentioned before....

if the disc is fully seated on the hub clearance should be equal

Is it fully seated on the hub? If you rotate the disc is it catching equally all the way round? If you put in a wheel bolt opposite the countersunk screw does it improve things?

 

[NBurns]

Is it fully seated on the hub? If you rotate the disc is it catching equally all the way round? If you put in a wheel bolt opposite the countersunk screw does it improve things?

Nope. It is catching equally all round. Wish I could find the damn receipt and thus part number for the ones that were fitted. I remember they were PAGI but that's all.



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[NBurns]

Bout of food poisoning while in Gosport stopped everything. Now back in Hedge end, a bit fragile but determined to push on and do as much as I can. I've asked to borrow a breaker bar locally to help get the final bolts out and then inspect the disc(s). Both sides seem to be the same, just one side was worse than the other.



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[joderest]

suspect you mean Pagid Disc's, which are sold alot by ECP. They are a half decent product, but if incorrect disc's supplied would never do the correct job.
They do look quite new in photo's, but i certainly would not be happy if my disc's were running that close to the brackets, i bit of muck and they would be rubbing.
Something is not correct and it can only be something not seated correctly, or incorrect part.
One thought comes to mind, did the fitter remove the rust from the hub when he installed disc's, it could well be that there is enough "rust" to set the disc off a mm or so, worth checking, but of course you have to get the disc's off first.
Its odd that the securing screws to not line up with the hubs, which again will point to incorrect parts.
Time will give us the replies.