W208 Faulty Indicator/Wiper Stalk

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First of all a big Hello to everyone, I’ve been meaning to join the Forum for a while and haven’t got round to it but today seemed an appropriate day after the grief my 230 CLK has decided to give me since last Thursday.

The vehicle is a 1998 Elegance in quartz blue with just under 90k on the clock, all documented and in fairly good order. Bought it on a whim about 7 weeks ago and all has been fine and dandy until last Thursday afternoon.

It was a glorious spring time day here in Sheffield when I decided to visit the local car wash (the sort where Eastern European types jet wash, hand shampoo and dry the car for you) this may or may not be significant. On leaving with a nice shiny car I noticed that the indicators were suddenly not working, nor the windscreen wipers and headlamp flash. In fact all functions on the one stalk, apart from the headlamp high beam, were, well non-functional. I limped home as best I could with no indicators and visited the local garage at the end of my street for some help. He suggested a local specialist auto-electrician who had all the gear for working on Mercs, BMW’s and the like.

I gave them a ring and was quite impressed when he said he would be right round and check on it. Within 20 minutes he was on my doorstep and soon plugged a laptop into the car, checked all the fuses (which I’d done already) and eventually came to the conclusion that the indicator stalk had suddenly failed and would need replacing. By this time it was late afternoon and he suggested that I drive round to his premises the following day and we could see about getting a replacement.

The following morning I took the car to him and after finding the exorbitant price the Main Stealer wanted for one, I rang Mercman in Cornwall who had a reasonably priced new one and could courier it but it wouldn’t be there until Monday. Not a problem at that time because I didn’t need a car over the weekend, so I waited for Monday.

The part arrived yesterday lunchtime, I took it down and left it and the car with the AE. On my way there I found that my indicators and windscreen wipers were again working but not the headlamp flash?? I mentioned this as I handed over the car and parts and was told that it can be the case that parts can apparently start to seemingly work, only to fail again. My nightmare, or at the very least a bad dream, started then. Mid-afternoon they call to say that the retaining bolt for the steering wheel would not shift under any circumstances. He suggested that it be left overnight, liberally coated with some easing fluid, to hopefully free off the following day. He was worried, and I have to agree with him, that excessive force might result in it snapping off and the ££’s turning to ££££’s.

So today, I received the call to say that after bathing in exotic oils overnight, the bolt still refused to shift and would have to be drilled out. ‘Ok, not a problem’ I said, ‘do what you’ve got to do’. I offered to pick up a replacement bolt from the main stealership (cost £4.08) and ferry it over to them so that they could finish off the job, which I did. So after everything was put back, I cheerfully pay for the labour and go to drive off to find apart from the fact that my pristine Orion Grey leather driver’s seat now has grease stains on it, that…………………..

Yes despite having a brand new stalk fitted it’s still not ****** working! They said that it must have triggered a fault with SAM, whoever he is, and that they will have to now remove that and investigate looking at doing some sort of re-soldering as contacts may have ‘overheated’??
I don’t know, maybe I’m worrying unduly, but I’m beginning to wonder, firstly , do the auto-electricians know what they are doing and secondly, did I know what I was doing buying a 13 year old CLK!

If anyone can offer any kind of advice regarding this electrical fault I would be grateful because I’m beginning to think that this could end up a significant hit to my wallet.

If nothing else, thank you for listening and allowing me to voice my worries.

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I think that water got in the box under the bonnet and the SAM has water or damp under it, this is the box with 2 lids.

Never heard of anyone drilling out that bolt.

I feel that the guy that did the work does not really know MBs

Welcome to the forum though
 
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I think that water got in the box under the bonnet and the SAM has water or damp under it, this is the box with 2 lids.

Never heard of anyone drilling out that bolt.

I feel that the guy that did the work does not really know MBs

Welcome to the forum though

Thanks for the advice Malcolm and your welcome. You may be right about the damp but the car was literally just washed on the outside, no mucking about under the engine bay, so I'm at a loss to know how that could be.

The bolt it would appear had been off before (with a previous keeper) and refitted using Loctite, hence the problem removing it. The old bolt definitely showed all the evidence of having been drilled out, so I tend to believe it was a problem.
What is particularly worrying is that they may now say 'Oh it's your SAM' and it's payout time again and why that wasn't found at first or is it just a case of some sort of reset?? The business is quite well established in South Sheffield and I've seen all manner of top range cars there before in the past, so I would have expected them to do better.
 

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It is well known that the stalk just does not fail,it may loose one function intermittently and then other function.

The fact that the car almost righted itself does point towards moisture or water under that front SAM, I would lift it out and check, if there is any moisture in the box there are 2 modified lids now for that box.

you could try warming the SAM with a warm air gun in at all damp, there are also many cars being broken now and a secondhand one not that expensive.

Not impressive diagnosis on behalf of the ones that did the job
 
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It is well known that the stalk just does not fail,it may loose one function intermittently and then other function.

The fact that the car almost righted itself does point towards moisture or water under that front SAM, I would lift it out and check, if there is any moisture in the box there are 2 modified lids now for that box.

you could try warming the SAM with a warm air gun in at all damp, there are also many cars being broken now and a secondhand one not that expensive.

Not impressive diagnosis on behalf of the ones that did the job

The car is still at their premises but I'll be down there tomorrow morning armed with what you've just told me. I'll report back tomorrow.
 
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Just one further question Malcolm, the modded box covers, are they readily available from MB dealers and is it something that they are aware of?
 

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If that is the fault then I will look up the part numbers:D
 
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Well as they say, all's well that ends well. New SAM and Fuse box attachment arrived this morning and fitted and all is now indeed well. Unfortunately it would appear that all the efforts, not to mention the cost, of replacing the column stalk were a total waste!

A smart Alec on another forum mentioned that I should've taken it to MB dealer, that may be so but financially I would have been worse off strangely enough. New SAM from MB is £200, plus it turns out I would have needed the top fuse box attachment (cost unknown), plus labour (got to be at least £100) I reckon altogether £400 or in the region of.
I've spent 60 inc carriage on column stalk & 50 inc carriage for SAM & fuse attachment plus labour & call out (£100) so I'm better off, if but a little greyer and balder! :(

The old fuse attachment had obviously been subjected to a lot of moisture ingress over its 13 years use. When taken to bits all the contacts were green and corroded quite badly. The SAM is a sealed unit so it's impossible to know what the damage was to that.

So Malcolm you were absolutely spot on with your diagnosis and it looks like I need a set of these modified fuse box covers that you mentioned. If you can post the part numbers I would be most grateful. I will be eternally grateful for you taking the time and the trouble to post your thoughts and advice on Tuesday which I now have discovered was your birthday. Can I take this opportunity to offer a belated happy birthday and that you are the recipient of many, many more to come! :)
 

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Part no. Designation Quantity
A 202 545 14 03 Module box cover, small (old no.: A 202 545 13 03)
A 208 545 00 03 05 Fuse box cover, large (old no.: A 208 545 00 03)

Pleased that all is ok
 
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Part no. Designation Quantity
A 202 545 14 03 Module box cover, small (old no.: A 202 545 13 03)
A 208 545 00 03 05 Fuse box cover, large (old no.: A 208 545 00 03)

Pleased that all is ok

I shall get them ordered ASAP. Thanks again Malcolm
 

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